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Just now, Gopher Trace said:

'Should have been on it after the DET loss, but hey, better late than never...

What specifically should have made McCarthy on the hot seat for the team's performance in Detroit?  I'd really love to know. 

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Mike McCarthy on Friday said his analytics told him to punt on fourth-and-2 from his own 33 with 4:20 to play and trailing by a field goal.

My apologies if this has already been hashed out here but now the guy is flat out making stuff up to defend his faulty decision making. There are no analytics out there that say punt in that situation with only one timeout. Get this lying dinosaur out of here.

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8 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

My apologies if this has already been hashed out here but now the guy is flat out making stuff up to defend his faulty decision making. There are no analytics out there that say punt in that situation with only one timeout. Get this lying dinosaur out of here.

Absolutely a fact. You have to get a stop without a first down. You go for it and get that stop you only give up 3 and still win with a TD. 

Absolutely no way you can defend a better chance to win with a punt. That's an awful look for Mac. Man up and say you regret not going for it.

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 1:21 PM, incognito_man said:

Lol what.

I am not using confirmation bias whatsoever. I think you might be trying to say hindsight?

You are strangely trying to replace reality with a hypothetical instead. That's senseless.

The fact is, after NO got a talent infusion, while keeping a head coach you claim fans were calling to fire during a stretch of mediocrity (which resulted in higher draft capital), they are now 8-1 following a deep playoff run the year before.

Looks like the coach wasn't the problem.

Hmmm

 

Hate to break in here, but nobody really thought Payton was the problem. It was the defense being hilariously inept.

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19 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

What specifically should have made McCarthy on the hot seat for the team's performance in Detroit?  I'd really love to know. 

When your team walks out of the locker room playing like a steaming pile of trash are you saying the coach deserves no blame for that?

That game was a mistake, followed by a mistake and then we had another mistake.

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1 minute ago, Breesus mode said:

Hate to break in here, but nobody really thought Payton was the problem. It was the defense being hilariously inept.

Yeah Brees and Payton seem like they've been on the same page forever. I feel like Mac and Rodgers haven't been on that page since Mac took the ball out of Aaron's hands in the NFCCG in 2014 and still continues to do it to this day (see 4 minutes to go on Thursday night).

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Just now, Packerraymond said:

When your team walks out of the locker room playing like a steaming pile of trash are you saying the coach deserves no blame for that?

That game was a mistake, followed by a mistake and then we had another mistake.

You're faulting McCarthy for the following:

17 points off of 22 yards gained.
A bad call by refs that said King touched a ball on a punt when he didn't.
2 Rodgers fumbles inside the Lions 30.
13 points lost off of 5 missed field goals/extra points.

And you're blaming McCarthy for that? 

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1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

Yeah Brees and Payton seem like they've been on the same page forever. I feel like Mac and Rodgers haven't been on that page since Mac took the ball out of Aaron's hands in the NFCCG in 2014 and still continues to do it to this day (see 4 minutes to go on Thursday night).

You are not the only one to have posited that the Pack never really recovered from the debacle in Seattle.

Since that game, the Defensive Coordinator is gone. Offensive coordinator gone. Special teams coordinator gone. QB, WR, TE, DL, and Safeties coach all gone.

Of course the GM is gone as are the Director of Player Personnel (Wolf) and Senior Personnel Executive (Highsmith).

A significant portion of the roster from that game is also gone.

Feels like the Pack began tearing off the bandage after last season and the rest just might get ripped off shortly once this season ends.

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7 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Absolutely a fact. You have to get a stop without a first down. You go for it and get that stop you only give up 3 and still win with a TD. 

Absolutely no way you can defend a better chance to win with a punt. That's an awful look for Mac. Man up and say you regret not going for it.

So you're saying "dont punt them back deep (as we did) and get the stop (or turnover and better field position while only down 3.....) but rather, give them the ball on our own 33yard line - hope & pray we get that stop and only go down 6 - as opposed to the very real possibility they'll score 7 and end the game right there.

If we can get a stop inside our own 33 (as your plan requires...) why cant we get that stop (or turnover) at their 30 or 40 yard line? 

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1 minute ago, Leader said:

So you're saying "dont punt them back deep (as we did) and get the stop (or turnover and better field position while only down 3.....) but rather, give them the ball on our own 33yard line - hope & pray we get that stop and only go down 6 - as opposed to the very real possibility they'll score 7 and end the game right there.

If we can get a stop inside our own 33 (as your plan requires...) why cant we get that stop (or turnover) at their 30 or 40 yard line? 

I think that is the point in reverse.

If you think you can stop them after the punt, then you should be thinking you can stop them if you fail on 4th down.

I wonder if that throw on 3 rd down sent a shudder through McCarthy.  The way Rodgers misses that throw, you have to be wondering what the hell just happened.  

Still, the odds favor going for it on 4th.

I will say this- if he went on 4th and missed, there would be a vocal group saying it was stupid.  That is just life in the NFL.

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One of the realizations Payton and Brees had was that their defense was suffering from lack of ball control as was their offensive line. Throwing for 5,500 yards is fun and all but throwing every play is hard on your lineman and it leads to a lot of quick drives. Both scoring drives and 3 and outs. In 2017, Brees threw the ball 137 fewer times for 874 fewer yards and 14 fewer TDs compared to 2016 yet the team improved by 4 games. Yes they had a great draft. But they put their players in a better position to succeed as well. You didn't hear one complaint from Brees with regard to his stat line. Meanwhile McCarthy needs a hammer to the head to get the ball in the hands of one of his best playmakers (Jones) and balance this offense.

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Just now, Mr Anonymous said:

Meanwhile McCarthy needs a hammer to the head to get the ball in the hands of one of his best playmakers (Jones) and balance this offense.

Aaron Jones has been wide open in the passing game.  Who do you think is at fault for not getting him the ball in those situations? 

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10 minutes ago, Leader said:

So you're saying "dont punt them back deep (as we did) and get the stop (or turnover and better field position while only down 3.....) but rather, give them the ball on our own 33yard line - hope & pray we get that stop and only go down 6 - as opposed to the very real possibility they'll score 7 and end the game right there.

If we can get a stop inside our own 33 (as your plan requires...) why cant we get that stop (or turnover) at their 30 or 40 yard line? 

You have to add in the fact (and it is a fact) that you have a 57% chance of converting a 4th and 2. It's not about the defense at all, it's that you NEED a stop before a 1st down. So a 57% chance of keeping the ball with the failure resulting in a 1 score game vs a 1 score game is far greater than punting and automatically giving up your 57% chance to keep the ball.

There is statistically no way to support the theory that punting gave us a better chance.

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Mike McCarthy punted just to give Rodgers the anger and spark he needs to go undefeated and never miss a key third down completion again.  He knew Seattle was the one loss we could take, but he also knew Rodgers needed that anger. 

Great long-term head coaching decision. 

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5 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Aaron Jones has been wide open in the passing game.  Who do you think is at fault for not getting him the ball in those situations? 

Ah using the old one play extrapolates to all defense. Was Jones the 1st or 5th option on that play? How do you excuse the use of Jones this season prior to this most recent game? How do you excuse the run / pass imbalance? How do you excuse the use of Jones in the 2nd half?

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