Ozzy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chrissooner49er said: Wow. You're saying Ferguson will go in the 1st?! Really? I don't see it, but I am not going to argue since it only takes one team...just like Tebow and Manziel. Well, bad comparison as Ferguson likely has more talent. Perhaps a similar situation is all. It does not really matter, he is a first round type of talent. If he does not go in the 1st round and early 2nd no big deal. He is easily a top 6 defensive end in a loaded DE class in general. Montez Sweat and Charles Omenihu might not go in the 1st round either, that does not make them any less impressive as prospects? Darius Leonard, Braden Smith, James Daniels, Courtland Sutton, Jessie Bates, Connor Williams, Anthony Miller, Brian O'Neill all went in the 2nd round last year, so what. I had Daniels, Sutton, Bates and Williams all as 1st round type talents, sure guys fall but does not mean they are any less talented or good just because they do not end up being picked in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Crazy explosion off the ball. He's got a powerful punch, but I have a feeling NFL OT's won't let him get into their chest because of his lack of length. He's still going to roast dudes with speed, but will probably be more of a specialist at the start of his career. I do like him a lot and wouldn't be shocked if he were drafted within the first 15 picks. I kinda thought that about Miller but somehow that doesn't happen much with him. I kinda thought that about him, Cliff Avril, and Frank Clark but they've fared pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, jebrick said: A year to get some strength and he could be a real beast. Plays 18" off the ground on his pass rush. Best bend in the class. I'd still say Ferrell has the best natural bend in the class. Like, the ability to get skinny and low to the ground and get to the QB. He's just not nearly as explosive as Polite. But I see Ferrell "get skinny" better than any of the other edge rushers, but both are awesome at it. Ferrell's technique is just at a higher level than the other pass rush guys right now despite not having ELITE physical tools. Ferrell is getting slept on. He's not far off from Bosa and I do believe he's ahead of him technically as a pass rusher. His hand usage and variety of pass rush moves are at an elite level...his talent just doesn't quite match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ozzy said: The guy gives awesome effort attacking the QB and for a straight up the field pass rusher he does a very good job at DE. Had a great season but he has been good and productive over his entire career. Sure has not played the best competition consistently but even this year against Miss State who has multiple NFL prospects on their OL he played great. Kid seems to love the game and in a day and age where no high pick plays in a small bowl game, he did because he loves to play and was going after the NCAA sack record which he did get in that game. I feel he is a damn good athlete and on the tape going after the QB he is as athletic as any DE in the draft, sure maybe he might not test like that but on film he is explosive, powerful and quick off the ball. He wins on speed and getting around the tackle which he does quite often. The Colts could use him, same with the Raiders, Patriots, Eagles, Seahawks etc in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Crazy explosion off the ball. He's got a powerful punch, but I have a feeling NFL OT's won't let him get into their chest because of his lack of length. He's still going to roast dudes with speed, but will probably be more of a specialist at the start of his career. I do like him a lot and wouldn't be shocked if he were drafted within the first 15 picks. It is odd people are amazed by Polite and think he has such upside when really the first two years of his career he did very little and at times was totally not there in games. Sure this past season he played better and actually produced at times for once but to me how you play as a FR and SOPH does matter not just the most recent season. Kid is quick athlete sure, but not quite sure he times that well but will see. In the run game he will get destroyed consistently and unless he is a 3/4 OLB he has no chance holding his own at the point of attack as a down DE in my book. He would just get pushed around over and over. Games against Georgia and Kentucky where the hell was he, against Kentucky he looked to have little to nothing to do with run D or tackling. He seems to really not like physical football to be honest and that cannot be ignored if people are talking this high 1st round pick stuff. No way Polite runs a 4.53 40, has a 37" vertical, 6.7 3 Cone and a 11.15 60 like Von Miller, the comparison to him is an insult to Von Miller who was so far and away a better more superior prospect and player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ozzy said: No way Polite runs a 4.53 40, has a 37" vertical, 6.7 3 Cone and a 11.15 60 like Von Miller, the comparison to him is an insult to Von Miller who was so far and away a better more superior prospect and player. I bet Polite gets pretty close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 hours ago, N4L said: Bosa is probably as good as he will ever be, which scares me (as strange as that sounds). The fact he was a rotational player that probably wasn't a huge part of the offenses gameplan also worries me. The amusing thing is that everyone said the same thing about his brother, and his brother had 22.5 sacks over his first two years combined. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Not going to lie, watching Polite, He has a lot of Von Miller in his game No, just no. He's closer to Harold Landry than Von Miller. Von Miller was one of the truly elite pass rush prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: I bet Polite gets pretty close to that. Again that is a damn insult to Von Miller, that kid was a great player in college and awesome in space. I do not see Polite being awesome in space because he does not have that great of speed straight line, if he was people would be projecting him as a possible 4/3 OLB also. He is simply not that athletic, quick sure but he is not Von Miller, and if he does time well he sure knows how to hide it on the field so then back again it would be to his lack of toughness and willingness for physical contract potentially. But let us see this combine blowup because of him, I doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, CWood21 said: The amusing thing is that everyone said the same thing about his brother, and his brother had 22.5 sacks over his first two years combined. Yeah, its weird that being really technically sound with good feet and hands and have an NFL body can be a knock on you as a prospect. LIS, I am going to be happy with either guy. Very glad there are two edge rushers worthy of #1 or #2 overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, N4L said: Yeah, its weird that being really technically sound with good feet and hands and have an NFL body can be a knock on you as a prospect. LIS, I am going to be happy with either guy. Very glad there are two edge rushers worthy of #1 or #2 overall. It's literally a case of prospect fatigue. He's been on the prospect map since his freshman year. Same thing is happening with Ed Oliver this year. Happened to Sam Darnold last year. A few years ago, Myles Garrett was getting picked apart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, CWood21 said: It's literally a case of prospect fatigue. He's been on the prospect map since his freshman year. Same thing is happening with Ed Oliver this year. Happened to Sam Darnold last year. A few years ago, Myles Garrett was getting picked apart. I agree and that is the case at times it seems. Could argue it is happening with Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence as well. People project and suspect one will be a great player from FR year on any slight thing comes up and opinions can quickly change on them, any dip in production. Lucky for most a good combine proving athletic superiority can correct some of those issues pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I agree and that is the case at times it seems. Could argue it is happening with Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence as well. People project and suspect one will be a great player from FR year on any slight thing comes up and opinions can quickly change on them, any dip in production. Lucky for most a good combine proving athletic superiority can correct some of those issues pretty easily. Maybe. I think the issue with the Clemson DL is that there's so much talent on there, it's hard to tell whose benefiting who. Call it the McCargo effect if you will. That year, we saw 3 NC State players go in the first round: Mario Williams, Manny Lawson, and John McCargo. Mario Williams was clearly the best of the bunch, and Manny Lawson even turned out a solid career. McCargo had 1 career start in his career with Buffalo. Is this another situation like that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, CWood21 said: It's literally a case of prospect fatigue. He's been on the prospect map since his freshman year. Same thing is happening with Ed Oliver this year. Happened to Sam Darnold last year. A few years ago, Myles Garrett was getting picked apart. Sam Darnold turned the ball over too much for a lot of people. That's not picking someone apart because of prospect fatigue, it was a real issue. Guess who threw 15 interceptions and had 5 fumbles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Ozzy said: Again that is a damn insult to Von Miller, that kid was a great player in college and awesome in space. I do not see Polite being awesome in space because he does not have that great of speed straight line, if he was people would be projecting him as a possible 4/3 OLB also. He is simply not that athletic, quick sure but he is not Von Miller, and if he does time well he sure knows how to hide it on the field so then back again it would be to his lack of toughness and willingness for physical contract potentially. But let us see this combine blowup because of him, I doubt it. As an athlete. He's obviously not nearly as good as Von Miller, but I think his times will be in the same ilk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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