KingOfNewYork Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Nastradamus said: Because hes on his own tier as a non QB prospect. You take the bst player, especially at a value position. Are we done What a minute, who are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 So I’m right that Lynch is going into this blind and not considering anyone but Bosa. Okay very good for the Jets and Raiders. We get the better prospects with HUGE upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: So I’m right that Lynch is going into this blind and not considering anyone but Bosa. Okay very good for the Jets and Raiders. We get the better prospects with HUGE upside. Williams could be for sure. I don't consider Allen a better prospect though. I don't think he has a power game in his arsenal yet, and that could hugely impact what he is at the next level. There's a chance he ends up as Manny Lawson and spend more time off ball. I like Allen, I think he's got a good floor because of that (Lawson was a perfectly competent player for years, but not what you want in a top three pick), but I'm not convinced he's an elite pass rusher at the next level. Wouldn't mind the pick if we made it over Bosa, there are concerns over both. Williams is likely the cleanest of all three in my opinion though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureys49ers Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Nastradamus said: Um, why would you sit Bosa on run downs??? FOrd maybe I actually think there would be more of a rotation, not necessarily one sitting more than the other on base downs or in base defense. But being that they would likely be on the field together more often than not in sub packages I think they would see their fair share of running downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Jordan Brailford vs Carl Granderson Austin Bryant vs Joe Jackson Oshane Ximines vs Maxx Crosby Zach Allen vs Charles Omenihu Darryl Johnson Jr. vs Justin Hollins Who would you rather have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureys49ers Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Jordan Brailford vs Carl Granderson Austin Bryant vs Joe Jackson Oshane Ximines vs Maxx Crosby Zach Allen vs Charles Omenihu Darryl Johnson Jr. vs Justin Hollins Who would you rather have? Brailford Jackson Crosby Allen Hollins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reamer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Jordan Brailford vs Carl Granderson Austin Bryant vs Joe Jackson Oshane Ximines vs Maxx Crosby Zach Allen vs Charles Omenihu Darryl Johnson Jr. vs Justin Hollins Who would you rather have? I like this as a thought experiment. Brailford -- better athlete and no open court case (https://www.laramieboomerang.com/news/local_news/granderson-charges-still-pending-as-draft-approaches/article_c3aa773c-3420-5a2e-b8e2-ba7f02027e4e.html) Jackson -- showed ability to bend last season, showed ability to anchor against the run this season, better overall stats in fewer games without the benefit of monster teammates Crosby -- this is a tight one; didn't like Ximines as well against the run, but liked better against the pass (although neither one has film that really excites me, but Crosby seems to have more upside and faced better competition) Allen -- in three years, Omen will probably be better, but Allen is a solid DL who can play base end and then kick inside to 3-tech; he's more advanced and gives you quality snaps right from the get go, although he may never progress much farther than good rotational player Hollins -- like his athleticism and ability to play in space; he could be a Collins, KVN, or Barr type LB in the right system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Forge said: Williams could be for sure. I don't consider Allen a better prospect though. I don't think he has a power game in his arsenal yet, and that could hugely impact what he is at the next level. There's a chance he ends up as Manny Lawson and spend more time off ball. I like Allen, I think he's got a good floor because of that (Lawson was a perfectly competent player for years, but not what you want in a top three pick), but I'm not convinced he's an elite pass rusher at the next level. Wouldn't mind the pick if we made it over Bosa, there are concerns over both. Williams is likely the cleanest of all three in my opinion though In terms of upside Allen has more than Bosa due to his athleticism and versatility. Bosa is what he is and will continue to be that and there’s nothing wrong with that. I agree Williams is the cleanest of the 3. I think the duo of him and Buckner would be better than the duo of Bosa and Ford honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: In terms of upside Allen has more than Bosa due to his athleticism and versatility. Bosa is what he is and will continue to be that and there’s nothing wrong with that. I agree Williams is the cleanest of the 3. I think the duo of him and Buckner would be better than the duo of Bosa and Ford honestly. Allen scares me off with his bad game tape vs Georgia. Pretty much a non-factor most of the game. Give me Bosa at 2 or Sweat in a trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Chrissooner49er said: Allen scares me off with his bad game tape vs Georgia. Pretty much a non-factor most of the game. Give me Bosa at 2 or Sweat in a trade down. Doesn’t Bosa have average tape against superior competition? See that’s what I’m not understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherm Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Forge said: Williams could be for sure. I don't consider Allen a better prospect though. I don't think he has a power game in his arsenal yet, and that could hugely impact what he is at the next level. There's a chance he ends up as Manny Lawson and spend more time off ball. I like Allen, I think he's got a good floor because of that (Lawson was a perfectly competent player for years, but not what you want in a top three pick), but I'm not convinced he's an elite pass rusher at the next level. Wouldn't mind the pick if we made it over Bosa, there are concerns over both. Williams is likely the cleanest of all three in my opinion though Please stop with the Manny Lawson comp. They are not even close the the same player. Lawson was never as developed as a pass rusher as Allen is right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, sherm said: Please stop with the Manny Lawson comp. They are not even close the the same player. Lawson was never as developed as a pass rusher as Allen is right now. He could easily be Manny Lawson. Or Anthony Barr. You don't have to agree. I'm not convinced without refinement or power that he's an elite pass rusher at this level. He could be a guy that ends up of the ball possibly as package blitzer more so than a pass rushing edge. And I like Allen, I'm bullish on him. But I think that possibility certainly exists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chwf3rd25 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Jeezla said: Jordan Brailford vs Carl Granderson Austin Bryant vs Joe Jackson Oshane Ximines vs Maxx Crosby Zach Allen vs Charles Omenihu Darryl Johnson Jr. vs Justin Hollins Who would you rather have? 2. Joe Jackson - didn’t test well athletically but he flashed way more as a pass rusher than Bryant. Showed some burst and ability to bull rush and convert speed to power whereas Bryant has a minimal pass rushing ceiling. 3. Crosby - Crosby’s traits are light years above Ximines 4. Zach Allen - better as a run defender and showed a lot more as a pass rusher than Omenihu from the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherm Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Forge said: He could easily be Manny Lawson. Or Anthony Barr. You don't have to agree. I'm not convinced without refinement or power that he's an elite pass rusher at this level. He could be a guy that ends up of the ball possibly as package blitzer more so than a pass rushing edge. And I like Allen, I'm bullish on him. But I think that possibility certainly exists That won't be Allen's fault...if he goes to a team who decides to use him more off the ball than pass rushing. Sounds like a coaching/scheme issue the player can't control. He proved last yr with NFL coaching he can take his gm to another level rushing the passer. Any team that won't continue to develop his skill set is wasting his talent. That includes our 49ers...if we were to draft him. Edited April 13, 2019 by sherm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 @Chwf3rd25 @reamer @Fureys49ers Charles Omenihu or Joe Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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