JaireAlex Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I get why Simmons may fall out of round one. But why is Lawrence (who many regarded higher and was stuck at NT) getting the same treatment? Any thoughts? I see him as a solid but underdeveloped elite talent that with some work could be the best DL in the class. Dude just benched maybe a record for his arm length too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: I get why Simmons may fall out of round one. But why is Lawrence (who many regarded higher and was stuck at NT) getting the same treatment? Any thoughts? I see him as a solid but underdeveloped elite talent that with some work could be the best DL in the class. Dude just benched maybe a record for his arm length too. Because 3T's are all the rage, and Lawrence isn't one. He might be the next Haloti Ngata, but teams (and fans) want the next Donald/Cox/McCoy/Atkins Edited April 1, 2019 by Jeezla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeezla said: Because 3T's are all the rage, and Lawrence isn't one. He might be the next Haloti Ngata, but teams (and fans) want the next Donald/Cox/McCoy/Atkins No, it's because Lawrence's film is shockingly uneven, he didn't show much progression as his career went, and run stuffers just aren't highly valued today. Thus, teams that are worried about whether his pass rush will ever come around aren't going to be bending over backwards to draft him in the 1st round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 8 hours ago, JaireAlex said: I get why Simmons may fall out of round one. But why is Lawrence (who many regarded higher and was stuck at NT) getting the same treatment? Any thoughts? I see him as a solid but underdeveloped elite talent that with some work could be the best DL in the class. Dude just benched maybe a record for his arm length too. As a NT projection, Lawrence just doesn't play a position/role that the NFL values that highly anymore. There was a time not that far in the past where he probably would've been a highly coveted prospect...but with teams spending so much time in sub packages and the league becoming so predominantly a passing game, a big NT just doesn't hold the same value for most teams anymore. They're going to be the guy coming off the field too often, and generally just don't have as much impact on the critical passing downs and getting to the QB. I think pigeonholding Lawrence as just a big ol' run stuffer is probably selling him a bit short. He's more athletic than that, and his ability to disrupt the pocket often seems underrated to me even if the sack production hasn't been there lately. He's got the potential to be one of the better NTs in the NFL. But if he falls out of the 1st round, that's what it's about. In a strong DLine draft like this, there are just too many other more "dynamic" finishers out there at more "valued" positions for teams to take a swing on. ie. How much is a space-eating NT getting a couple sacks a year really going to swing the fortunes of your team overall? I think it's entirely reasonable to see how teams might want more from their 1st round selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Tugboat said: As a NT projection, Lawrence just doesn't play a position/role that the NFL values that highly anymore. There was a time not that far in the past where he probably would've been a highly coveted prospect...but with teams spending so much time in sub packages and the league becoming so predominantly a passing game, a big NT just doesn't hold the same value for most teams anymore. They're going to be the guy coming off the field too often, and generally just don't have as much impact on the critical passing downs and getting to the QB. I think pigeonholding Lawrence as just a big ol' run stuffer is probably selling him a bit short. He's more athletic than that, and his ability to disrupt the pocket often seems underrated to me even if the sack production hasn't been there lately. He's got the potential to be one of the better NTs in the NFL. But if he falls out of the 1st round, that's what it's about. In a strong DLine draft like this, there are just too many other more "dynamic" finishers out there at more "valued" positions for teams to take a swing on. ie. How much is a space-eating NT getting a couple sacks a year really going to swing the fortunes of your team overall? I think it's entirely reasonable to see how teams might want more from their 1st round selection. Yeah. I just see underrated pash rush ability with Lawrence, I guess. He did pretty well. A lot to work with there. Depends what coaches think they can turn him into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Am I the only one who would rather have John Cominsky in the 3rd/4th over Rashan Gary in the 1st? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 7:35 PM, JaireAlex said: But why is Lawrence (who many regarded higher and was stuck at NT) getting the same treatment? Because people are idiots and pigeon-hole him in as being a fat slob NT that can't do anything but clog running lanes. NFL GM's aren't as stupid. Lawrence will go in the top 15-20 picks for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Am I the only one who would rather have John Cominsky in the 3rd/4th over Rashan Gary in the 1st? Nope. I would rather have almost anyone over Gary. Relying too much on what he MIGHT do because there wasn't much he really did. Perhaps I am oversimplifying, but you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) Can someone sell me or make me feel good about Gary at 7? I like the freaky athleticism and think the upside is there...but at 7 I am eh. Not worst case, but definitely one of my least favorite options . Much prefer Q, Sweat, Haskins, Hock, Allen, or Jonah. I honestly think he'll be our pick if he's still available. Edited April 5, 2019 by .Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Jeezla said: Am I the only one who would rather have John Cominsky in the 3rd/4th over Rashan Gary in the 1st? Way to raw to have any significant expectations of him, better to go in low with Cominsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I'd really like to see Dexter Lawrence lose 20 lbs. 6'4 330? Yes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: I'd really like to see Dexter Lawrence lose 20 lbs. 6'4 330? Yes please. Get him down to a lean mean 325 and he will be a PROBLEM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ6 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 2019-04-04 at 1:00 PM, BleedTheClock said: Because people are idiots and pigeon-hole him in as being a fat slob NT that can't do anything but clog running lanes. NFL GM's aren't as stupid. Lawrence will go in the top 15-20 picks for sure. Pretty sure he goes to Atlanta at 14 if they don't trade up for Oliver and Gary is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 14 hours ago, jarren said: Pretty sure he goes to Atlanta at 14 if they don't trade up for Oliver and Gary is gone. Grady Jarrett and Dexter Lawrence? That's nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 How does Dexter Lawrence compare to Vita Vea? Why is one commonly mocked as a fringe first rounder and one a 12th overall pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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