ditchdigger Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer. Both tackle positions need to be upgraded. Joel Bitonio can be that upgrade at LT if you find better options at guard in free agency. There is no reason to move on from Harrison. He is on a very team friendly contract and has shown some signs of quality play. At the very least, he can be a higher end backup swing tackle. But if you don't try and upgrade that position, you're accepting an overall low level of play at a very important position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ditchdigger said: If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer. Both tackle positions need to be upgraded. Joel Bitonio can be that upgrade at LT if you find better options at guard in free agency. There is no reason to move on from Harrison. He is on a very team friendly contract and has shown some signs of quality play. At the very least, he can be a higher end backup swing tackle. But if you don't try and upgrade that position, you're accepting an overall low level of play at a very important position. You're not factoring in his potential improvement over an NFL offseason. The guy is as raw as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchdigger Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, pnies20 said: You're not factoring in his potential improvement over an NFL offseason. The guy is as raw as they come. He's 25. Physically, I don't think there is much more potential for adding strength (his greatest weakness). He's already athletically better than most starting LTs, so really he can get the most gain from improving his technique. But none of that will matter if he is bull rushed into the QB every dropback. Simply put, I wouldn't place the health and well being of my franchise QB on the hope of him improving if I were Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugpimpen Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Its iffy. I'll see what he can do rest of the year. I I'm just stunned at how bad Hubbard has been. Really thought hed do at least a solid job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 hours ago, pnies20 said: No. You said “Hubbard is by far our best RT in the past decade including Schwartz” No. No I did not. Find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 hours ago, ditchdigger said: He's 25. Physically, I don't think there is much more potential for adding strength (his greatest weakness). He's already athletically better than most starting LTs, so really he can get the most gain from improving his technique. But none of that will matter if he is bull rushed into the QB every dropback. Simply put, I wouldn't place the health and well being of my franchise QB on the hope of him improving if I were Dorsey. There’s not much more to adding strength??? Over the past 3 years, the guy spent one year at a DII program. I have no idea if he was in their offseason workout program. So potentially over the previous 3 offseasons, he might have not been in Any kind of a great weight training program. Now last year he was in the draft circuit, so again not in a great situation to truly maximize your strength. After this season, he has nothing to focus on but playing for the browns and getting better. In reality, prolly be the first stable off season program over the past 5years. So the offseason program can huge for him this year and could be a huge tell of what kind of player he can be. Its not always great to use PFF to support who is good or who is bad but you can at least use it as a starting point because at least they are holding every tackle to the same criteria. I think it was 2 weeks ago or so they had Harrison rated as the 16th best tackle ( 14 LTs were ahead of him and 2 RTs) i think he has shown enough to Warrent being the projected starter if they don’t improve it. Just saying it is very hard to project who might be better. A lot of ppl projected that Hubbard would be a solid RT and the dude has been trash. Still better than Coleman but still trash. Harrison could greatly improve by adding more strength and putting on more weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 hours ago, pnies20 said: No. You said “Hubbard is by far our best RT in the past decade including Schwartz” https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/13286-joe-schobert/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1195920 that was real deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 You all are overthinking this, you all see the same thing, if he was a disaster, Bitonio would have been replaced him in the lineup, he hasn't. Then we act surprised when he makes mistakes? Come on, if an UDFA rookie srarter's only flaw being that he isn't big or strong enough, isn't that a great position to be in moving forward? Also, if anyone noticed despite Hubbard being as bad as people say, we still ran the ball the majority of the time on the right side with some success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, sdrawkcab321 said: https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/13286-joe-schobert/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1195920 that was real deal Good job. I’m too lazy to look. I apologize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 hours ago, ditchdigger said: He's 25. Physically, I don't think there is much more potential for adding strength (his greatest weakness). He's already athletically better than most starting LTs, so really he can get the most gain from improving his technique. But none of that will matter if he is bull rushed into the QB every dropback. Simply put, I wouldn't place the health and well being of my franchise QB on the hope of him improving if I were Dorsey. The guys played D2 football. Before that he hadn’t played much at all because he kept getting in trouble. All I’m saying is let the dude see if he can improve over an off-season with consistent (lol) coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Harrison is a rookie. He's had his ups and downs this year. I'm definitely gonna give him the rest of this year before I say he needs replaced. Even Hubbard I thought was okay, but he's been bad the past two games. Wouldn't be opposed to sliding Bitonio over to RT and having Corbett replace him at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatgerman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 hours ago, ditchdigger said: He's 25. Physically, I don't think there is much more potential for adding strength (his greatest weakness). He's already athletically better than most starting LTs, so really he can get the most gain from improving his technique. But none of that will matter if he is bull rushed into the QB every dropback. Simply put, I wouldn't place the health and well being of my franchise QB on the hope of him improving if I were Dorsey. My only argument with that is that most coaches complain about the D2 level and how student athletes don't have nearly the nutrition programs that bigger schools have. Many guys have to eat unhealthy food and often not nearly enough to sustain and add weight. Let's see him in a year with a great food plan and an NFL strength training program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, Fatgerman said: My only argument with that is that most coaches complain about the D2 level and how student athletes don't have nearly the nutrition programs that bigger schools have. Many guys have to eat unhealthy food and often not nearly enough to sustain and add weight. Let's see him in a year with a great food plan and an NFL strength training program. West Georgia may not have even had a training table, while University of Texas had Steak, Lobster, Chicken and Brisket. Huge difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think that he will be a pretty good RT but that they still need that bookend LT. That said, what they really need is another receiving threat or two so that our QB can get the ball out quicker since everyone is covered and unable to separate on basic intermediate and deep routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 We should absolutely create competition at the position (as we should everywhere), and if he ends up being the best man and winning the battle, ride with him. If not, ride with the guy who looks better and harrison will be nice depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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