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6 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said:

Tavon Austin sucked. Taysom Hill doesnt. Found the first flaw in this argument.

Defenses hesitate when Taysom Hill is in the game, he runs a RPO but even if he doesn't do it often defenses know he's fully capable of delivering a good pass so you can't just sell out on the run either.

For a guy who self proclaims to know a lot of football, you're really just turning a blind eye to how good a weapon Taysom Hill has been for New Orleans.

Tavon Austin was a lot more dangerous with the ball in his hands than Hill. The guy was/is at least good enough to have a position. I hope the Saints use Taysom Hill often against the Rams. I'd rather have him running RPOs than have Brees standing next to Kamara in the shotgun.

For a guy who self-proclaims to tell people they don't know a lot about football, you sure aren't showing a lot of knowledge in this thread. James White is a good weapon. Taysom Hill is a footnote.

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3 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Ito Smith. Why would I care about snaps?

Oh please. You know this isn't the same.

Maybe if you hadn't tried to sidestep it the first time.

40 minutes ago, Dome said:

Show me a HB3 taking 37% of offensive snaps in any game where it wasn’t due to injury.

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22 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Why would I care about snaps?

Because you said theyre treating him like a #3 HB. So show me a #3 HB that teams are bringing our for as many snaps as Hill. And no, I don't count an injury promotion as the same thing, not at all. 

You are ONLY referencing at his stats, not how he's actually being used. So how can you claim that he's being used like a #3 HB if you don't even care or know about what he's actually on the field for? You obviously haven't been watching how they're using him or you're confused about what a #3 HB is. 

 

This is like the time you said DC's don't gameplan against Kamara and he's an afterthought lol. You watch a lot of football, but when it comes to the Saints you show some bias IMO. It happens, but that's how I see it.

That's all the more I'm going to say about this. It's just talking in circles. It's clear you're trying to portray a much better understanding of the way Hill is being used based on checking out a few box scores. 

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7 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Tavon Austin was a lot more dangerous with the ball in his hands than Hill. The guy was/is at least good enough to have a position. I hope the Saints use Taysom Hill often against the Rams. I'd rather have him running RPOs than have Brees standing next to Kamara in the shotgun.

For a guy who self-proclaims to tell people they don't know a lot about football, you sure aren't showing a lot of knowledge in this thread. James White is a good weapon. Taysom Hill is a footnote.

He's not a pats fan. He's a Boston Celtic one. 

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15 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Tavon Austin was a lot more dangerous with the ball in his hands than Hill. The guy was/is at least good enough to have a position. I hope the Saints use Taysom Hill often against the Rams. I'd rather have him running RPOs than have Brees standing next to Kamara in the shotgun.

For a guy who self-proclaims to tell people they don't know a lot about football, you sure aren't showing a lot of knowledge in this thread. James White is a good weapon. Taysom Hill is a footnote.

Oh man. I've done what I can. Have a good day, sir.

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2 minutes ago, Dome said:

Oh please. You know this isn't the same.

Maybe if you hadn't tried to sidestep it the first time.

Why do I care about snaps? What position is Hill playing, dude? If he's blocking as a TE, is he better than the #2 TE on most teams? IMO, no. If he's acting as a HB, is he better than the team's #2 or #3 HB? IMO, no. If he's playing WR, is he better than the team's #4 or #5 WR? IMO, no. Why does being passable at a lot of things make you valuable? It just makes you inferior to specialists who could be playing. The only argument in favor is saving roster spots, but I don't think that's a good argument.

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Hill has been pretty damn good in short yardage situations.  He fights for and gets crucial first downs almost every time he's on the field. He doesn't run like a QB afraid of contact.  He also threw a TD pass that Kamara straight up dropped.  

I dont want to see him take too many snaps from Brees, but he's been a net positive for our offense so far, as well as a great asset on special teams.

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30 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Why do I care about snaps? 

you said last year around this time in our Kamara debates that you don't comment on players if you haven't seen enough of them.

We both know there's more to a player than touches and box scores, so how many of his snaps have you seen?

You claimed they treat him like a #3 HB and I'm challenging you to find a #3 HB that's being used like anything close to how Hill is being used. You compared touches.... that's the most shallow comparison you could've mustered.

I'm asking how you account for all the extra snaps if they're simply treating him like a #3 HB. Show me a #3 HB being asked to take snaps at QB in critical moments with their HOF QB in lined up at WR. Show me a #3 HB being asked to come block inline and also asked convert multiple 3rd and 4ths in a game as a rusher.

It was a terrible comparison. You're taking Hill's # of touches, comparing that to other positions with a similar # of touches, and acting like that's football analysis. 

 

 If you don't see the value in versatility, you need to reassess, I mean just look at the versatility in your offense and how it makes things harder to defend and easier to disguise. Even when you're just making subs and adjustments and even if the ball isn't going to one of the guys they're trying to key in on, having players that can do multiple things so you can disguise your intentions is football 101 dude. 

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2 hours ago, jrry32 said:

Getting a ton of STs snaps is what bottom-of-the-roster types do. They're on the roster to play special teams. That isn't inconsistent with my point. On the season, he's averaging 3 carries per game and has a grand total of 1 reception. He's also attempted 2 passes. Basically, in 6 games, he has 21 touches. That's 3.5 touches per game. He's not seeing significant PT. They're treating him like a #3 HB or a #2 TE.

I think you meant to say "and" here, because they're not treating him like one specific type of position player at all.

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