5x10 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Excuse me for assuming that when we talk about "results", win/loss was the result that mattered more than anything else. We could win the Super Bowl, and you'd be like, "look, his ypa didn't improve after he got Amari". I'm not sure why I continue this debate, because I'm not a huge fan of Dak or of this trade. I just think the "it doesn't matter if our talent gets better because Dak sucks" is a dumb argument. Improving our talent will help us win games. This should be obvious. Putting racing slicks on your Prius isn’t going to make it faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 hours ago, 5x10 said: Putting racing slicks on your Prius isn’t going to make it faster Yup, we still have Dak Prescott as quarterback. That's true. Adding other good players doesn't change his biological or chemical makeup. Super insightful. You might still have a Prius. But removing traffic from the roads will help you get from point A to point B more quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Yup, we still have Dak Prescott as quarterback. That's true. Adding other good players doesn't change his biological or chemical makeup. Super insightful. You might still have a Prius. But removing traffic from the roads will help you get from point A to point B more quickly. The point is, this is the THIRD WR group that Dak has played with. First he struggled with Dez, TWill, and Beasley. Everyone, except for a few of us, blamed the WRs. We hated TWill. We were HAPPY to release Dez. We signed Hurns, and Thompson in FA to decent money. We traded a 6th for Tavon Austin. Drafted Michael Gallup. The word on the street was we were making everything Dak friendly. They publicly stated they were going to be better without a true #1. Dak said he PREFERRED it that way. We remodeled our whole crew, and guess what happened? More crappy QB play. And guess who is getting blamed again!? The freaking WR group. So NOW we trade our 1st overall pick for Amari Cooper, which is again supposed reshape our group dynamic. Excuse us for being concerned that changing the WR group AGAIN, is not going to make much difference. How many WRs are going to get fired or replaced before we recognize that they aren't the issue? You may think it's stupid to assume more talent won't help Dak, but at some point it's insane to expect different results from doing the same thing. This isn't the first time we dramatically reshaped our WR group for Dak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, DaBoys said: The point is, this is the THIRD WR group that Dak has played with. First he struggled with Dez, TWill, and Beasley. Everyone, except for a few of us, blamed the WRs. We hated TWill. We were HAPPY to release Dez. We signed Hurns, and Thompson in FA to decent money. We traded a 6th for Tavon Austin. Drafted Michael Gallup. The word on the street was we were making everything Dak friendly. They publicly stated they were going to be better without a true #1. Dak said he PREFERRED it that way. We remodeled our whole crew, and guess what happened? More crappy QB play. And guess who is getting blamed again!? The freaking WR group. So NOW we trade our 1st overall pick for Amari Cooper, which is again supposed reshape our group dynamic. Excuse us for being concerned that changing the WR group AGAIN, is not going to make much difference. How many WRs are going to get fired or replaced before we recognize that they aren't the issue? You may think it's stupid to assume more talent won't help Dak, but at some point it's insane to expect different results from doing the same thing. This isn't the first time we dramatically reshaped our WR group for Dak. LOL. I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying. Dak isn't a great quarterback. The original post I responded to made a statement that completely lacked nuance and depth. *It doesn't matter, the results will be the same*. Ridiculous. We've seen a very wide range of success from Dak, both in terms of statistics and W/L. Clearly there are other factors to whether he succeeds or not than "Dak gonna Dak". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, DaBoys said: The point is, this is the THIRD WR group that Dak has played with. First he struggled with Dez, TWill, and Beasley. Everyone, except for a few of us, blamed the WRs. We hated TWill. We were HAPPY to release Dez. We signed Hurns, and Thompson in FA to decent money. We traded a 6th for Tavon Austin. Drafted Michael Gallup. How are you counting this. Williams, Beasly have been here the whole time. Hurns was added before Dez was even cut. They were going to play together. So its more like the second. With the first group he was rated as the third best passer in the NFL and was the #1 seed. But then his OL went to ish and he started to look very mediocre. Then he went to this new group and his OL stunk it up and he continued to look mediocre. None of our OL (save Martin) are graded as elite pass blockers. None are rated as high quality. None are rated as very good. Some are rated good, some below average. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: How are you counting this. Williams, Beasly have been here the whole time. Hurns was added before Dez was even cut. They were going to play together. So its more like the second. With the first group he was rated as the third best passer in the NFL and was the #1 seed. But then his OL went to ish and he started to look very mediocre. Then he went to this new group and his OL stunk it up and he continued to look mediocre. None of our OL (save Martin) are graded as elite pass blockers. None are rated as high quality. None are rated as very good. Some are rated good, some below average. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT Lol Matts, this is simple. I know you are a good math student so let me explain this way. 2 MAJOR overhauls = 3 different groups. First major overhaul was this offseason. It doesn't matter if Hurns was here first or if Dez was here last, or if they passed each other on the way out and high fived. No one can deny that our WR group underwent a change this offseason. A big one. Second overhaul is desperately trading away your first overall pick midseason after you have already lost 4 games, and acquiring Amari Cooper. Thus crowning him the #1 WR during your week 8 bye. Lol 2 changes = 3 groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5x10 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 2:38 PM, Nextyearfordaboyz said: LOL. I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying. Dak isn't a great quarterback. The original post I responded to made a statement that completely lacked nuance and depth. *It doesn't matter, the results will be the same*. Ridiculous. We've seen a very wide range of success from Dak, both in terms of statistics and W/L. Clearly there are other factors to whether he succeeds or not than "Dak gonna Dak". Ridiculous my ***, I never mentioned 2 years ago when dak was a highly productive qb and winning dak can’t lead a productive passing game, and for you to claim ignorance to that is flat out lying who complains about production and winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Cooper Beasley and Hurns are listed as starters. Definitely thought it would be Gallup Beasley and Coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 33 minutes ago, CAPJ said: Cooper Beasley and Hurns are listed as starters. Definitely thought it would be Gallup Beasley and Coop. Not really surprised at Gallup not starting. Has looked better, but still a 3rd rd rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Not really surprised at Gallup not starting. Has looked better, but still a 3rd rd rookie. Agreed but has looked better than Hurns. Why not continue to give him the reps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 hours ago, CAPJ said: Agreed but has looked better than Hurns. Why not continue to give him the reps? Hurns is a young vet, who they gave quite a bit of money too. I think Hurns is starting because Gallup still needs more time to develop. The F.O. might also want more return on that investment and this is the time to evaluate him. IMO, Hurns is a bust FA signing and won't be on the team next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 15 hours ago, CAPJ said: Agreed but has looked better than Hurns. Why not continue to give him the reps? "Starting" is not about reps. Gallup has received more snaps the last two weeks than Hurns. That seems very unlikely to change, regardless of who the "starter" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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