amazingandre Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 What's it gonna take to get Conley and Jordy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 17 hours ago, 101Raider said: (without a 125+million QB) Maybe this is where I differ too. That 125 million doesn't really matter anymore when all the other big contracts are either gone or going away. Unless we start paying top money at multiple positions, Carr's contract is not a concern for really the rest of his deal. His contract is probably average or will be by this time next year anyway, 20 mil per year is not what it once was at the QB position. With every new contract signed he falls further and further from the top paid at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, amazingandre said: What's it gonna take to get Conley and Jordy? Conley? Probably a 3rd. Jordy? 7th.. but I doubt that's worth it for us to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 hours ago, true2form said: Maybe this is where I differ too. That 125 million doesn't really matter anymore when all the other big contracts are either gone or going away. Unless we start paying top money at multiple positions, Carr's contract is not a concern for really the rest of his deal. His contract is probably average or will be by this time next year anyway, 20 mil per year is not what it once was at the QB position. With every new contract signed he falls further and further from the top paid at the position. On the flip side this also makes a QB on his rookie deal that much more valuable. With QB contracts heading in the $30+ million a year range a coach that can use a system QB may become highly valued the same way ZBS coaches did. This is just a what if but if Gruden is capable of winning with a $10-15 million a year QB then his contract is nothing because we do not need to spend $25 million on a QB. Imagine BBs value if he is able to continue winning with a 5th round QB after Brady leaves. You may see him get a $20 million/yr contract and it would be worth it. Carr maybe scared to get hurt because if AJ comes in and performs well there is no way we keep Carr next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 9:10 AM, Silver&Black88 said: If we gave up on Carr for Teddy I'd stop watching tbh TeddyB might actually fit what Gruden wants in a QB more than Carr. Decently athletic QB who doesn't have the biggest arm, but is very good in the short to intermediate game. Game manager, won't turn the ball over and lose you games like Carr has done a couple times this year. Cerebral type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, amazingandre said: What's it gonna take to get Conley and Jordy? I would like to see Jordy traded. Still a solid player, feel bad that he signed to this mess of an organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: TeddyB might actually fit what Gruden wants in a QB more than Carr. Decently athletic QB who doesn't have the biggest arm, but is very good in the short to intermediate game. Game manager, won't turn the ball over and lose you games like Carr has done a couple times this year. Cerebral type. Lmaoo. Bruh his knee could burst at any moment. Especially with this protection. We ain't winning **** with a game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: TeddyB might actually fit what Gruden wants in a QB more than Carr. Decently athletic QB who doesn't have the biggest arm, but is very good in the short to intermediate game. Game manager, won't turn the ball over and lose you games like Carr has done a couple times this year. Cerebral type. Game manager ≠ cerebral, but alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceman80 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Silver&Black88 said: Game manager ≠ cerebral, but alright For real. Where are people getting this? A game manager isnt what Gruden's offense requires. Short and intermediate accuracy, extremely high intelligence, and superb pocket presence is what he wants. Short area athleticism is a plus. Game manager is someone who just takes what theyre given and limits mistakes ala Case Keenum Cerebral is someone who picks a defense apart by being smarter than the opposing team ala Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Lmaoo. Bruh his knee could burst at any moment. Especially with this protection. We ain't winning **** with a game manager. We're not winning anything period for the next couple of years no matter who the QB, that much is clear. Rather not win **** with a game manager who might be more of a system fit, rather than a timid skittish crying 25 mill per QB who is regressing and destroying any kind of trade value he might have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, Silver&Black88 said: Game manager ≠ cerebral, but alright So you cant be a cerebral game manager? Cererbral doesn't equal elite either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: We're not winning anything period for the next couple of years no matter who the QB, that much is clear. Rather not win **** with a game manager who might be more of a system fit, rather than a timid skittish crying 25 mill per QB who is regressing and destroying any kind of trade value he might have had. With all due respect, your qb evaluation is shallow garbage. And his 20 million avg over the next 3-4 years is 16th in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: With all due respect, your qb evaluation is shallow garbage. And his 20 million avg over the next 3-4 years is 16th in the league... And you're a Carr apologist who is still hanging on to two years ago. Wake up, smell the coffee, and realize the dude might not even be a top 20 QB in the league anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: And you're a Carr apologist who is still hanging on to two years ago. Wake up, smell the coffee, and realize the dude might not even be a top 20 QB in the league anymore. Exactly. Would rather be called a “Gruden Apologist” because I see the big picture instead of all these sensitive Carr apologists. Emotional attachment to players instead of seeing reality. We weren’t winning with Carr, Mack, Cooper with three failed drafts, not to mention Carr and Cooper have shown this year and last year they are probably not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: Exactly. Would rather be called a “Gruden Apologist” because I see the big picture instead of all these sensitive Carr apologists. Emotional attachment to players instead of seeing reality. We weren’t winning with Carr, Mack, Cooper with three failed drafts, not to mention Carr and Cooper have shown this year and last year they are probably not the answer. Cooper + Carr is not good but one or both might play better apart from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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