MookieMonstah Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Same reason you got Apple and not Jackrabbit. You do not have the cap space for him. lol cap space is so easy to manipulate in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Giants have some good young talent at IDL but you'd like to see more than a 5th around pick for a player of his caliber. Fantastic pickup for the Lions, you couldn't find a more perfect trade for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, TheVillain112 said: Giants have some good young talent at IDL but you'd like to see more than a 5th around pick for a player of his caliber. Fantastic pickup for the Lions, you couldn't find a more perfect trade for them... That's the nature of these trades when it is an older player on a huge contract. Unless they are in that highest tier of players, you're going to get a good deal. Giants needed to dump his contract. He would have been cut this offseason anyway and we would have gotten nothing for him. The Lions reap a lot of benefits here though. Not sure they are exactly poised to make a run, but getting Snacks is as close as you can get to making your run defense elite with one player. He is that good against the run. That said, he is also 30, on a huge contract, and doesn't play on 3rd down. He gets to reunite with Okwara and Kennard in Detroit which is cool. He's probably one of the most fun characters we had as well. Giants were never in a base 3-4 anyway, but it will be interesting to see who takes his interior spot. BJ Hill has looked really good in limited snaps recently, so it may be him, although the better move is to have Tomlinson play the Snacks role and let Hill take over Tomlinson's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Giants and Raiders racing to that 1st overall pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, minutemancl said: That's the nature of these trades when it is an older player on a huge contract. Unless they are in that highest tier of players, you're going to get a good deal. Giants needed to dump his contract. He would have been cut this offseason anyway and we would have gotten nothing for him. The Lions reap a lot of benefits here though. Not sure they are exactly poised to make a run, but getting Snacks is as close as you can get to making your run defense elite with one player. He is that good against the run. That said, he is also 30, on a huge contract, and doesn't play on 3rd down. He gets to reunite with Okwara and Kennard in Detroit which is cool. He's probably one of the most fun characters we had as well. Giants were never in a base 3-4 anyway, but it will be interesting to see who takes his interior spot. BJ Hill has looked really good in limited snaps recently, so it may be him, although the better move is to have Tomlinson play the Snacks role and let Hill take over Tomlinson's. Yeah, I get it but this is a move that favors the Lions and is just OK for the Giants. While you can find some good players in the 5th round, more likely than not you're not getting a starter, let alone a pro bowl/all-pro caliber player like Harrison. More teams should trade late round picks for known quantities like Harrison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticLeviathan Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Harrison is a one trick pony. He's really good at his one trick, but his one trick isn't great in the current league. He's a two down back and a pure run stopper. Zero pass rush ability. He's also on a big contract. He also turns 30 next month. He was a candidate to be cut in the offseason anyway. Why lose him and get nothing when you can trade him and get at least a little something out of it? By the time the Giants are competitive, he'll be too old, and it's a lot of wasted cap that can be used on younger pieces that will be useful once the Giants are competitive again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline_Flux Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, MysticLeviathan said: Harrison is a one trick pony. He's really good at his one trick, but his one trick isn't great in the current league. He's a two down back and a pure run stopper. Zero pass rush ability. He's also on a big contract. He also turns 30 next month. He was a candidate to be cut in the offseason anyway. Why lose him and get nothing when you can trade him and get at least a little something out of it? By the time the Giants are competitive, he'll be too old, and it's a lot of wasted cap that can be used on younger pieces that will be useful once the Giants are competitive again. This is the panicked rationalizing I come here for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, Adrenaline_Flux said: This is the panicked rationalizing I come here for. "Panicked"? It makes a lot of sense for both the Giants and Lions. Lions get the better end of the deal for sure, I don't think anyone would argue that, but it still makes perfect sense from the Giants perspective as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Wonder if Sterling Shepard or Vernon is available. Jets could use either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, MysticLeviathan said: He's really good at his one trick, but his one trick isn't great in the current league. Man tell that to the Lions who are currently 30th in the league against the run. If this even shaves their run yds per game from 140 to around 100, that's going to win them some games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Harrison turns 30 at the end of next month. Do DT's have a 30 year old wall like RBs that I don't know of? Is Calias Campbell not great at 32? Do the Bengals need to trade Geno Atkins now because he's 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, TheVillain112 said: Harrison turns 30 at the end of next month. Do DT's have a 30 year old wall like RBs that I don't know of? Is Calias Campbell not great at 32? The Jaguars wouldn't have acquired Campbell if they didn't feel like they were close to competing. Keeping a 30 year old run stuffing DT on a huge contract (he has a top-5 cap number for the Giants) is not the best idea for a rebuilding team. It has less to do with hitting a wall and more to do with his remaining peak years being wasted on a rebuilding team. Also Campbell is a freak of nature. 4 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: Wonder if Sterling Shepard or Vernon is available. Jets could use either of them. I'm almost positive Vernon is. Again, he has a huge cap number and was acquired by the previous regime. Jackrabbit has to be available too. Can't imagine why Shepard would be. He's one of 3 offensive players actually playing well. 5 minutes ago, Superduperman said: Man tell that to the Lions who are currently 30th in the league against the run. If this even shaves their run yds per game from 140 to around 100, that's going to win them some games He's probably good enough by himself to do that. He's got an absurdly good feel for the game and has no problem fighting off more than one blocker. Normally guys like him don't have their impact felt on the stat sheet, but he does. Even when he doesn't make the tackle, he'll impact the play. He's the best at what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheVillain112 said: Harrison turns 30 at the end of next month. Do DT's have a 30 year old wall like RBs that I don't know of? Is Calias Campbell not great at 32? Right? Fat guys on both sides of the ball play at high levels well into their mid 30s pretty regularly. It makes sense for the Giants only because of cap relief. The 5th round pick is pretty irrelevant since most 5th rounders peak at special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, minutemancl said: I'm almost positive Vernon is. Again, he has a huge cap number and was acquired by the previous regime. Jackrabbit has to be available too. Can't imagine why Shepard would be. He's one of 3 offensive players actually playing well. Jets were one of the teams in the running for Vernon when he signed with NYG. Jets probably still have interest and have plenty of cap space to handle his deal easily. I would offer up a 4th and see if they bite. Not sure they want to trade him to the Jets but it would be helpful for them to trade that contract away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Great move for the Lions. Rushing defense has been awful for them. They just added one of the best run stoppers in the league over the last few seasons for a late mid round pick. Matthew Stafford Trio of good receivers A suitable run game for the first time since the Barry Sanders era A good coverage secondary If they can learn to at least slow down the run, this team can make a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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