cddolphin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 5 hours ago, CKS97 said: But since 2002 realignment shipped out Indianapolis, it has become the worst division in NFL history, if not sports history. Back this up with stats or let this idea die; just a couple months ago the raw data showing the AFCE to be a top-3 division when it comes to inter-division play was posted in another thread, and that was AFTER removing the top performers from each division to make sure the Pats weren't propping the division up, statistically speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Asciimo said: guy wants to complain about the AFC east but has not once mentioned the slaughter the colts put on in the AFC south for years and years or the NFC North for that matter. From 2002-2017 the Colts have won the division 9/16 times. From 2002-2017 the Patriots have won the division 14/16 times. So while yes the Colts have slaughtered the rest of the division during that time span, it's been over with since Manning left (only won the division 2/7 times since his departure) and has not nearly been the slaughter the Patriots have put on the AFCE still to this day. It really is quite astounding how differently things could have played out if the Colts remained in the AFCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, Asciimo said: guy wants to complain about the AFC east but has not once mentioned the slaughter the colts put on in the AFC south for years and years or the NFC North for that matter. It's extra dumb because based on, you know, the actual W/L record, the AFCE is not the worst division, not even close. But don't let that get in the way of post-TNF dramatic narrative threads. If OP doesn't believe me, he's free to look up the numbers himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Was it the realignment in 2002? Or was it the beginning of the GOAT QB, GOAT HC and possibly GOAT dynasty emerging? Well, that coupled with three incredibly inept franchises never challenging the Patriots. When the best QB in the division during that tenure with Tom Brady was Chad Pennington....you have a problem. I don't like letting them off the hook with the realignment - plus, the Patriots and Colts played every year anyways during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, cddolphin said: It's extra dumb because based on, you know, the actual W/L record, the AFCE is not the worst division, not even close. But don't let that get in the way of post-TNF dramatic narrative threads. If OP doesn't believe me, he's free to look up the numbers himself. Since 2001 - who was the best QB in the AFC East not named Brady? Sure, the Jets and Dolphins - even the Bills - beat the Patriots a handful of times. The Rams also split with the Seahawks nearly every year when we were coached by Jeff Fisher. But these teams almost never actually challenged the Patriots for the division. In the past 17 seasons across 3 teams - so 51 attempts - have any of those teams even fielded ONE legitimate franchise QB? How is that possible? Seriously? You could go back and pluck the best players off of the Bills/Jets/Dolphins and make an all star team - from HC down to punter - and give them two offseasons to practice - and that team still probably wouldn't beat the Patriots of today. Because despite having 51 chances, the QB of that team would either be a "prime" Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez or Ryan Tannehil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Realignment tried to stay geographic, but the owners decided to keep rivalries alive (Dallas in the NFCE). They should have just put Baltimore in the East, Miami in the south, and Indy in the north. But the Ravens insisted on being kept together with the Browns, the Browns wanted to keep rivalries with the Steelers, Bengals Ravens, while the Bengals wanted to maintain the rivalries with the Browns and Steelers. Too bad no one saw the Patriots dynamic duo being this dominant. Had either the Steelers or Ravens been in the east, one could argue New Enf]gland would not have been quite as dominant, especially if had been the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich homie Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Asciimo said: guy wants to complain about the AFC east but has not once mentioned the slaughter the colts put on in the AFC south for years and years or the NFC North for that matter. AFC South was always one of the best divisions in the league during Manning's time there. Even during the years we swept the division the other teams were very competitive playoff contenders at the very least. The only time the Colts really "slaughtered" the division was in 2013 and 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, ET80 said: Indy is as South as Dallas is East... Honestly, swap Dallas an Indianapolis.... js Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 The OP is so triggered. So it’s not surprising that he’s whining more about the Patriots. First off let’s call a spade a spade. The Colts were the team that left. The Colts had won the division exactly 3 times in the 25 years preceding the alignment. Comparatively they came in 4th or 5th a total of 13 times in that time span. In addition they won a total of 3 playoff games between the merger the and divisional realignment. They were easily the bottom feeders of the division during the post merger error. To go a step further the Patriots are 13-5 vs the Colts since the divisional realignment and they played the Colts nearly every year except two since the alignment. Conclusion: OP made an extremely subjective via his clear bias that one team, the Colts, leaving ruined the division. Data in fact shows that going into the realignment the Colts were the least successful team and would have likely been viewed as a team that was benefitting by going into a division filled with expansion teams. The Pats and Colts still played each other every year and the Pats have had a .720 win percentage since the alignment (which is less than their win percentage against the Dolphins who remained in the division). Hmmmm its almost like its a manufactured lashing out that all relevant data doesn’t support. Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 AFC East teams have 14 wins so far. That's more than the AFC North, AFC South, NFC East, NFC North and NFC West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Getting bored of saying it, but.. We have a near identical record vs the AFCE compared to the league. Our toughest game, in recent history, has proven to be @Miami without fail. Feel free to swap Miami for, say, NO (.714 win), or Jacksonville (.846 win) and take Miami away (.491). We'd love that The Patriots are 71-19 since 2003 in the AFC East. That’s a .788 winning percentage. Outside the division, they are 118-32 (.786). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, FrantikRam said: Since 2001 - who was the best QB in the AFC East not named Brady? Since 2001, who was the best QB in the NFL not named Brady? Win % identical vs AFCE compared to field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 best team not from NE to come out of the AFC east since 2002? 2010 Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigInBoys Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Baltimore should be in the east, Indianapolis in the north and Miami in the south. The south is the most ignored division in football because it only has 1 big market, with Miami it would have 2 and they should be there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Hunter2_1 said: Since 2001, who was the best QB in the NFL not named Brady? Win % identical vs AFCE compared to field. Which means...what? From 2011-2016 the Seahawks had a better record versus the rest of the league than they did the Rams - who were not a good team. Division opponents are like that. But we were never once an actual threat to the division. Patriots have been a great team - but the sheer incompetence of the Bills/Dolphins/Jets has been historically astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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