Kiwibrown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I’m not sure what point you’re arguing, I never debated any of that. What I’m saying is regardless of the reason, roughly half the players any GM picks are gonna bust due to any number or combination of reasons. There’s no one dude who can spot a talented football player who’s destined for success significantly better than their peers. Or at least their hasn’t been to date. There have been guys who have been terrible at it. Ray Farmer, butch davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, Kiwibrown said: There have been guys who have been terrible at it. Ray Farmer, Ray Farmer wasn’t as bad as he’s remebered. At least according to the ESPN article he essentially “gave” Petrine the CB he wanted to build their relationship and Haslam the QB he wanted. His issue was lacking the spine to tell others no and do his job, even if one of those folks was his boss. Some of his other picks, when he and his scouting dept were actually making the picks weren’t all that bad. Bitonio, Kirksey, Desir, Duke, West.... Just now, Kiwibrown said: butch davis. Eh, not really a GM, just a coach pretending. His drafts defied anything resembling common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Ray Farmer wasn’t as bad as he’s remebered. At least according to the ESPN article he essentially “gave” Petrine the CB he wanted to build their relationship and Haslam the QB he wanted. His issue was lacking the spine to tell others no and do his job, even if one of those folks was his boss. Not many gms have had two 1st rounder two in a row. He went 4-4 on busts and dissapointments. 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Some of his other picks, when he and his scouting dept were actually making the picks weren’t all that bad. Bitonio, Kirksey, Desir, Duke, West.... He got 1 probowler with a lot of draft capital. That is bad, I agree not all of it was scouting some of it was politics.he should of blocked the move gor gilbert at least. 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Eh, not really a GM, just a coach pretending. His drafts defied anything resembling common sense. Warren over seymor, green over Portis. He was hideous as a bill belichick impersonator. Dorsey, if he has a strength is working out what to do with bad charecter dudes as it relates to the team.Gordon, Callaway, Hill, Hunt, have all been handled reasonably well from an team perspective. Otherwise he will be hit and miss hopefully at 60% rather than 50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 IMO Michael Lombardi may have been our worst GM. Not a single good pick in the entire 2013 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I also find it funny that many of the people who seem to worship at the altar of Buddy Boi also seem to be the biggest proponents of rolling multiple assets into one/fewer assets. If the dude really was some sort of savant when it comes to talent evaluation, wouldn’t up we want him drafting as many guys as possible since he’s gonna spot all the good ones? How many good players did Sashi draft with all of those assets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Otherwise he will be hit and miss hopefully at 60% rather than 50% Hit on 3 of 4 of the top picks last year with the 4th TBD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, bruceb said: Hit on 3 of 4 of the top picks last year with the 4th TBD. Ward is still a TBD depending on injuries imo. I think there is still room for skepticism as it pertains to Dorsey. He has a big pair of nuts though, he seldom makes the popular move, Baker, ward, Corbett were all that. Not sure if you can always make a living on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, candyman93 said: How many good players did Sashi draft with all of those assets? He didn’t get to use all of those assets, he handed Dorsey arguably the single largest war chest of draft capital in the history of the league, but I digress. Schobert is a Pro Bowler, as is Garrett. Ogunjobi, Njoku and Peppers all have bright futures as potential pro bowlers. Even the rest of the 2016 draft that everyone points to, most of them are still in the league. Just because they aren’t here doesn’t mean they’re a bust, guys “fail” due to regime change as you pointed out. Even if no one else makes a pro bowl adding one per year while accumulating draft capital as opposed to spending it isn’t bad. Of course if some of the other guys end up developing, it could actually turn out to be two highly successful classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, MWil23 said: IMO Michael Lombardi may have been our worst GM. Not a single good pick in the entire 2013 draft. In his defense it was a bad draft and they punted two picks to 2014 iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Not many gms have had two 1st rounder two in a row. He went 4-4 on busts and dissapointments. I’ll only blame him for Shelton and Erving, for reasons mentioned previously. Still not good though. 33 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: He got 1 probowler with a lot of draft capital. That is bad, I agree not all of it was scouting some of it was politics.he should of blocked the move gor gilbert at least. Agreed, he was set up to fail but didn’t help himself. 33 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Warren over seymor, green over Portis. He was hideous as a bill belichick impersonator. Yeah it was awful. 33 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Dorsey, if he has a strength is working out what to do with bad charecter dudes as it relates to the team.Gordon, Callaway, Hill, Hunt, have all been handled reasonably well from an team perspective. Otherwise he will be hit and miss hopefully at 60% rather than 50% Yeah he’s done well, no doubt. No one will be perfect but I like him as much as anyone when it comes to using the picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Even if no one else makes a pro bowl adding one per year while accumulating draft capital as opposed to spending it isn’t bad. Of course if some of the other guys end up developing, it could actually turn out to be two highly successful classes. For perspective, the “Wizard of Oz”, arguably the greatest GM in the league over the last couple decades drafted 18 in 23 years. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/04/29/ozzie-newsome-gets-emotional-with-final-draft-picks-as-ravens-gm/?utm_term=.cad23d4dea34 People had unrealistic expectations with Sashi when you consider what he inherited and the fact he punted for future assets in consecutive drafts. Was he supposed to draft 4 or 5 pro bowlers? I mean, it may end up that way, but that’s a lofty expectation when you consider that’s nearly a third of what Ozzie did in over 2 decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 If you look at new englands cap, they distribute more to the bottomn 20 guys on the roster than other teams. They have two decades st'ers that arent specialist and pays them.both well for what they do. Also they have a bunch of people, especially on offense who can do 1 or 2 things well, like their running backs. If you can draft for role players and st'ers well at the end of the draft it makes a difference that the average fan doesnt notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 And while I’m on a role, I’ll add one more point. Sashi and his draft picks were saddled with Hue Jackson, who Sashi not only didn’t want, but argued against hiring. I’ve never seen a coach get less out of more than Hue did. I mean, just look at Baker before and after last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Does your wife know about your love for Sachi? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Does your wife know about your love for Sachi? Don’t be silly. Of course not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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