sdrawkcab321 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 McCarthy vs Sean Peyton is a joke. Peyton’s offense is one of the most innovative and creative every single year. McCarthy still runs the exact same stuff from 2011. He just so happens to have the most talent qb of his generation running the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, buno67 said: How much control of the defense does MM have because the defense has held them back majority of the years Doesn’t a HC have control over both? Last I checked. He’s had plenty of years to get it together and never has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Mike MCCarthy criminally under utilizes the run game, has for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 hours ago, freakygeniuskid said: You really couldn't. He only won one, but McNabb =/= Rodgers. Plus, watching those teams the offense was always innovative and interesting. Far from the case for GB. Idk, you look at the QBs. With Reid with the likes of McNabb and Vick, he had to build different schemes to fit those guys. Those werent QBs you could run the traditional offense around. You look at the Packers, why get cute when you have a stud QB. You also look at the Packers, who is the skill players to be innovated around? Havent really kept the talent around Rodgers at a high level. Since they won the title in 2010, they have invested a lot into the offensive and defense and both of those areas still struggle a lot. You look back at their drafts and there drafts have been pretty bad. That isnt on MM thats on Thompson Also you know if they got crazy with the scheme, ppl would prolly complain that they have a stud QB, just be traditional. Packers talent has always been their QB and couple WRs, what kind of crazy innovation can they do? specially when those WRs are your typical WRs and not like a Tyreke Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 We hired Ryan Lindley from San Diego St. to serve as RB coach due to kitchens promotion. You may remember him as a backup QB for the cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: Mike MCCarthy criminally under utilizes the run game, has for years Packers also havent had a work horse type RB since Grant tho. They have tried but made the mistake in drafting Lacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: We hired Ryan Lindley from San Diego St. to serve as RB coach due to kitchens promotion. You may remember him as a backup QB for the cards Kitchen was a part of that offensive staff. Brought in because he was an in easy quick hire and is familiar with Kitchens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 15 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: McCarthy vs Sean Peyton is a joke. Peyton’s offense is one of the most innovative and creative every single year. McCarthy still runs the exact same stuff from 2011. He just so happens to have the most talent qb of his generation running the plays. Rodgers flat out refuses to take what is open. Drew Brees takes WHATEVER is open. Literally - I'm not making this up - Rodgers has passed on no less than a dozen wide open targets trying to go deeper. Not on third and long, not on fourth and long, this crap happens on first and second down. McCarthy is not designing an offense where a QB neglects open receivers. No offense is designed that way. This has been a problem with Rodgers since 2015, and although a lot of Packer fans try to neglect it, it's real and it's becoming a lot more noticeable this year since we're losing. And people really can't blame McCarthy for neglecting the run game, either. Aaron Rodgers has the ability to change plays. You're kinda silly if you think otherwise. McCarthy is a damn good head coach, and he is the perfect type of head coach to show a team how to win and win consistently. The only reason he looks stale is because the Packers have been drafting at the very end of the first round for the past 6 years and Thompson didn't replace misses with free agency. In 2016, the end of our season literally had Ladarius Gunter having to go up against Julio Jones in the playoffs. We had nobody else at corner. Damarious Randall had a BAD groin injury, Rollins was hurt, Hawkins sucked. So we had two safeties playing corner (Randall/Hyde), one of which had a groin injury (which makes CB a very difficult position to play), and we still got to the NFC Championship game. McCarthy didn't coach Rodgers to fumble the ball three times inside the Lions 30 yard line against the Lions. Rodgers completely neglected open receivers trying to get more and got sacked/fumbled three times. I could go on, but Mike McCarthy managed to bring the 2013 Packers to the playoffs with Matt Flynn at QB for a bunch of games. He has NEVER had the level of talent the Browns do. The Browns actually have the TALENT to run his offense instead of relying on a 32-year-old Nelson, Cobb and Bennett as receivers in 2017 with Hundley throwing to them. McCarthy's offense isn't stale, it just preaches execution over style. When you've got the elite first round talent and all-pro potential players like the Browns do at skill positions, you don't need gimmicks. Especially considering Njoku. McCarthy would light up scoreboards with a guy like Njoku, Mayfield and Landry considering how much he likes that type of TE. So would Rodgers if Rodgers wasn't so concerned with throwing only to wide open targets. Rodgers is last in the NFL in the risk factor of throwing. Meaning, he only throws to targets with a LOT of yards between them and the defender. Kinda minimizes the effectiveness of a TE like Graham. Additionally, Rodgers is on pace to set an all-time NFL record in throw aways. If you really think McCarthy is to blame, I've got ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Rodgers is a selfish QB. Sure, Mike has some faults, but so the hell does Rodgers. And between McCarthy and Payton, one and only one has a better history of getting his team to the playoffs. You're gonna say Payton? What coach misses the playoffs with an offense like that? What coach continues to have a defense like the one he's had some years without fixing it? Even in the least-talented seasons in his career, McCarthy has NEVER had a defense as bad as the Saints have had in multiple seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 17 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Doesn’t a HC have control over both? Last I checked. He’s had plenty of years to get it together and never has. Does he have control over the players being brought in? Also if MM is in full control of the offense, when can he work with the defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 18 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: McCarthy vs Sean Peyton is a joke. Peyton’s offense is one of the most innovative and creative every single year. McCarthy still runs the exact same stuff from 2011. He just so happens to have the most talent qb of his generation running the plays. Yeah also year after year Saints also find talent for Peyton to use. Packers have been garbage at drafting. Packers never found talent like a Kamara Graham Thomas or the talent the Saints have found for their OL. Also McCarthy was innovated during his time as the Saints OC when he was with a brooks and Duece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 minute ago, buno67 said: Yeah also year after year Saints also find talent for Peyton to use. Packers have been garbage at drafting. Packers never found talent like a Kamara Graham Thomas or the talent the Saints have found for their OL. Also McCarthy was innovated during his time as the Saints OC when he was with a brooks and Duece If the packers are so bad at drafting then we need to seriously worry about our front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, buno67 said: Does he have control over the players being brought in? Also if MM is in full control of the offense, when can he work with the defense? It’s called multitasking. The defense has been terrible for years. He has had plenty of time to work on it and hasn’t improved anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Just now, sdrawkcab321 said: If the packers are so bad at drafting then we need to seriously worry about our front office. Why? Thompson was in full control of the drafts in GB. Might see things get turned around with their new GM. Hell their early returns are pretty good. For example, it was Thompson who drafted Randall to make him a corner. Weird, the guys from the packers in Wolfe and Highsmith prolly suggested in trading for him and making him a safety afain Also Dorsey has proved he can draft from what he has done in KC and early returns this year. I would be nervous if Highsmith or Wolfe were the GM but since they they are just assistants within a dorsey having final say on personal picks, the browns are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: It’s called multitasking. The defense has been terrible for years. He has had plenty of time to work on it and hasn’t improved anything. So you want a HC to rebuild the offense and fix the defense? That’s spreading someone pretty thin. Specially when there talent outside of Rodgers isn’t all that great. The talent they had is aging and they are failing to replace it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, buno67 said: So you want a HC to rebuild the offense and fix the defense? That’s spreading someone pretty thin. Specially when there talent outside of Rodgers isn’t all that great. The talent they had is aging and they are failing to replace it Yes that’s the job of a HC. He didn’t just bet the job. He’s has plenty of time to work on the defense and hasn’t done anything. It’s the job of the coach to develop talent. It’s not all on the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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