BayRaider Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Lol nobody predicted the Chiefs to have 5 wins. Universally I saw most with the Chiefs at 8-9 wins and most had the Saints at 10-11 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 A lot of the people dismissing what Brees is doing right now is probably because this is pretty much the standard he has set for himself, though for some reason people still think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Manning/Brady. If the stats Drew Brees is putting up were put up by say, Jared Goff, they would be talking about how great of a season it is, how Goff is the MVP, you would never expect him to be so efficient, etc etc etc. But because it Drew Brees and he has always been so efficient and putting up gawdy numbers, it's expected. Seriously though, if you swapped Brees and Mahomes stats & team records, everyone would be clamoring for Mahomes to be the MVP due to record and how crazy efficient he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Raves said: A lot of the people dismissing what Brees is doing right now is probably because this is pretty much the standard he has set for himself, though for some reason people still think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Manning/Brady. If the stats Drew Brees is putting up were put up by say, Jared Goff, they would be talking about how great of a season it is, how Goff is the MVP, you would never expect him to be so efficient, etc etc etc. But because it Drew Brees and he has always been so efficient and putting up gawdy numbers, it's expected. Seriously though, if you swapped Brees and Mahomes stats & team records, everyone would be clamoring for Mahomes to be the MVP due to record and how crazy efficient he has been. I think you're right, Brees is getting less love than he deserves in a race he should be leading, stat-wise. As far as narratives go, for as brilliant Brees has been this year, I'm still kinda more impressed with Mahomes campaign personally. A 23 year old to lighting up the league in his first year starting blows me away more than an elite QB like Brees having a stellar, even historic year. We've seen HOF QBs have insane seasons before. It's nothing new. Mahomes is the shiny new toy that everyone seems to be attracted to, myself included. It's kinda like how Belichick should win COTY almost annually but gets ignored because his bar is perpetually high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: I think you're right, Brees is getting less love than he deserves in a race he should be leading, stat-wise. As far as narratives go, for as brilliant Brees has been this year, I'm still kinda more impressed with Mahomes campaign personally. A 23 year old to lighting up the league in his first year starting blows me away more than an elite QB like Brees having a stellar, even historic year. We've seen HOF QBs have insane seasons before. It's nothing new. Mahomes is the shiny new toy that everyone seems to be attracted to, myself included. It's kinda like how Belichick should win COTY almost annually but gets ignored because his bar is perpetually high. So you admit that if you swapped Brees and Mahomes stats, you would still pick Mahomes because he's a 23 y/o in his first year starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Raves said: So you admit that if you swapped Brees and Mahomes stats, you would still pick Mahomes because he's a 23 y/o in his first year starting. For sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Raves said: A lot of the people dismissing what Brees is doing right now is probably because this is pretty much the standard he has set for himself, though for some reason people still think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Manning/Brady. From a vaccum-statistics point of view, this is so far above his normal standards he has set for himself, it isn't even remotely as though this is a common level of performance for him, as it stands right now, he's going to completely destroy the passer rating record, lead the league in game-winning drives for the first time in his career, blow his old CMP% record out of the water, substantial career highs in TD% and Y/A,and for the first time in his career be under a 1% INT rate. This isn't even in the same stratosphere as Brees's normal standards, he has never come close to this, and to say that this is just "the standard he has set for himself" or that "same Ol'Brees" is ridiculous. People don't think he belongs in the conversation with Manning/Brady as they should. They aren't comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MookieMonstah Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, El ramster said: No idea what any of these mean honestly, or where you got them from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: No idea what any of these mean honestly, or where you got them from. WaffleHouss on reddit. Just can't link it. But this is how it's explained. How To Read What is NYoA (Net Yards over Average)? NYoA is the net yardage gained by the team while a player was on the field over a rolling six year League average factoring in field position, down, and distance. For Example: For the 2017 season the League average gain for 1st and 10 on the offense's 20 yard line was 5.56 yards. If the player participated in a play at 1st and 10 on his own 20 that gained 8 yards he'd earn 2.44 net yards over the League average, while a play for no gain would earn a -5.56 net yards over the league average. Special teams plays and plays nullified by penalty are excluded. The third column (Net Yards over Average) is the cumulative NYoA for every snap that player has taken season. The fourth column (Net Yards over Average per play) is the average NYoA a player earns over the course of the season on a per-play basis. The fifth column (Rushing NYoA) is the same as third but only calculates rushing plays. To earn a NYoA on a rushing play the player doesn't have to be the ball carrier, they merely need to be on the field. The sixth column is the average NYoA for rushing plays. The seventh and eighth columns are the same as the fifth and sixth but focus on passing plays. Minimum 135 snaps, sorted by average Passing NYoA/play. I've been rewarding QBs with great RBs for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: From a vaccum-statistics point of view, this is so far above his normal standards he has set for himself, it isn't even remotely as though this is a common level of performance for him, as it stands right now, he's going to completely destroy the passer rating record, lead the league in game-winning drives for the first time in his career, blow his old CMP% record out of the water, substantial career highs in TD% and Y/A,and for the first time in his career be under a 1% INT rate. This isn't even in the same stratosphere as Brees's normal standards, he has never come close to this, and to say that this is just "the standard he has set for himself" or that "same Ol'Brees" is ridiculous. People don't think he belongs in the conversation with Manning/Brady as they should. They aren't comparable. To be honest, I think Brees is every bit the QB that Manning was. Brady is on another level, as he should be. Manning never had under a 1% INT rate either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just now, El ramster said: WaffleHouss on reddit. Just can't link it. But this is how it's explained. How To Read What is NYoA (Net Yards over Average)? NYoA is the net yardage gained by the team while a player was on the field over a rolling six year League average factoring in field position, down, and distance. For Example: For the 2017 season the League average gain for 1st and 10 on the offense's 20 yard line was 5.56 yards. If the player participated in a play at 1st and 10 on his own 20 that gained 8 yards he'd earn 2.44 net yards over the League average, while a play for no gain would earn a -5.56 net yards over the league average. Special teams plays and plays nullified by penalty are excluded. The third column (Net Yards over Average) is the cumulative NYoA for every snap that player has taken season. The fourth column (Net Yards over Average per play) is the average NYoA a player earns over the course of the season on a per-play basis. The fifth column (Rushing NYoA) is the same as third but only calculates rushing plays. To earn a NYoA on a rushing play the player doesn't have to be the ball carrier, they merely need to be on the field. The sixth column is the average NYoA for rushing plays. The seventh and eighth columns are the same as the fifth and sixth but focus on passing plays. Minimum 135 snaps, sorted by average Passing NYoA/play. I've been rewarding QBs with great RBs for too long. Seems like a completely useless statistic tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, El ramster said: WaffleHouss on reddit. Just can't link it. But this is how it's explained. How To Read What is NYoA (Net Yards over Average)? NYoA is the net yardage gained by the team while a player was on the field over a rolling six year League average factoring in field position, down, and distance. For Example: For the 2017 season the League average gain for 1st and 10 on the offense's 20 yard line was 5.56 yards. If the player participated in a play at 1st and 10 on his own 20 that gained 8 yards he'd earn 2.44 net yards over the League average, while a play for no gain would earn a -5.56 net yards over the league average. Special teams plays and plays nullified by penalty are excluded. The third column (Net Yards over Average) is the cumulative NYoA for every snap that player has taken season. The fourth column (Net Yards over Average per play) is the average NYoA a player earns over the course of the season on a per-play basis. The fifth column (Rushing NYoA) is the same as third but only calculates rushing plays. To earn a NYoA on a rushing play the player doesn't have to be the ball carrier, they merely need to be on the field. The sixth column is the average NYoA for rushing plays. The seventh and eighth columns are the same as the fifth and sixth but focus on passing plays. Minimum 135 snaps, sorted by average Passing NYoA/play. I've been rewarding QBs with great RBs for too long. So this counts the plays where Brees is lined up at WR and Taysom Hill or someone else throws the ball as well in the Net Yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckweath Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: To be honest, I think Brees is every bit the QB that Manning was. Brady is on another level, as he should be. Manning never had under a 1% INT rate either. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, El ramster said: WaffleHouss on reddit. Just can't link it. But this is how it's explained. How To Read What is NYoA (Net Yards over Average)? NYoA is the net yardage gained by the team while a player was on the field over a rolling six year League average factoring in field position, down, and distance. For Example: For the 2017 season the League average gain for 1st and 10 on the offense's 20 yard line was 5.56 yards. If the player participated in a play at 1st and 10 on his own 20 that gained 8 yards he'd earn 2.44 net yards over the League average, while a play for no gain would earn a -5.56 net yards over the league average. Special teams plays and plays nullified by penalty are excluded. The third column (Net Yards over Average) is the cumulative NYoA for every snap that player has taken season. The fourth column (Net Yards over Average per play) is the average NYoA a player earns over the course of the season on a per-play basis. The fifth column (Rushing NYoA) is the same as third but only calculates rushing plays. To earn a NYoA on a rushing play the player doesn't have to be the ball carrier, they merely need to be on the field. The sixth column is the average NYoA for rushing plays. The seventh and eighth columns are the same as the fifth and sixth but focus on passing plays. Minimum 135 snaps, sorted by average Passing NYoA/play. I've been rewarding QBs with great RBs for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Elky said: You do.You didn't have to respond lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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