NJerseypaint Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, lancerman said: Brady significantly upped his game in 2015 and that was the best stretch of his career. He was already a 2x MVP and an elite talent considered to be neck and neck with Manning well before that Not saying he wasn't - just making the point that Aaron Rodgers is now at the age where Brady was consistently playing at his most elite levels, so it's not crazy to expect Rodgers to grow even better from where he is at now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, NJerseypaint said: Not saying he wasn't - just making the point that Aaron Rodgers is now at the age where Brady was consistently playing at his most elite levels, so it's not crazy to expect Rodgers to grow even better from where he is at now. The difference, IMO, is that a huge part of Rodgers game is his physical talent. Once that starts declining, will he be able to adapt his game to keep producing at an elite level? Apparently he's still playing hero ball, so it hasn't happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: The difference, IMO, is that a huge part of Rodgers game is his physical talent. Once that starts declining, will he be able to adapt his game to keep producing at an elite level? Apparently he's still playing hero ball, so it hasn't happened yet. I was just going to reply with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, NJerseypaint said: Aside from 2007, Tom Brady after 2010 blows pre-2010 Brady out the water. I mean, his play from 2015 - 2017 could be argued to be the best stretch of play of his career. rule changes of '04 , the offensive explosion of 2011, more QB protection, defenses can't play defense anymore, etc. his play from '03-'07 was elite with respect to the other QB numbers at the time. need to keep perspective. as for '08-'09, injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 16 hours ago, Asciimo said: rule changes of '04 , the offensive explosion of 2011, more QB protection, defenses can't play defense anymore, etc. his play from '03-'07 was elite with respect to the other QB numbers at the time. need to keep perspective. as for '08-'09, injuries. You're missing my argument entirely. I never said he wasn't great before 2010. I said he had his best stretch of seasons and QB play after 2010. What you would need to argue is that post-2010 Brady was less of a QB than pre-2010 Brady. Not that pre-2010 Brady was elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 hours ago, NJerseypaint said: You're missing my argument entirely. I never said he wasn't great before 2010. I said he had his best stretch of seasons and QB play after 2010. What you would need to argue is that post-2010 Brady was less of a QB than pre-2010 Brady. Not that pre-2010 Brady was elite. soo you're okay with saying that pre-2010 Brady was elite, but not okay with saying that he hit his stride already? I agree his numbers have improved, but he has already been in "stride". it's just semantics at this point anyway, not worth a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickel Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Hmmm... Don't think it's hard to argue that Rodgers is the most talented/gifted all around QB. Don't think it's hard to argue that Brady is the better game plan manager (not game manager)/decision maker/winner. Rodgers has suffered from coaching & defensive issues out of his control, but he's also suffered from an obsession with the big play and needing a telepathic relationship with his receivers. Brady plays to win the game. Rodgers seems to play the game to play it the way he thinks it should be played. Of course Brady has BB and a career full of better defenses. Doubtful Rodgers can win enough to overcome the winning deficit at this point in his career but two late-career titles could make it close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonChigurh Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Yes he is, Brady could only dream of throwing the ball the way Arod does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Brady has always been better. Rodgers's play style inflates his passer rating, and it doesn't surprise me that people overrate him because of his inflated passer rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asciimo Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 11:21 AM, AntonChigurh said: Yes he is, Brady could only dream of throwing the ball the way Arod does now. right because how you throw the ball entirely defines you as a QB. forget every other aspect of playing the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Rodgers throws the best football I’ve ever seen. He makes the most memorable plays anyone’s seen. But again, Brady has been more consistent for longer. He’s done more with less on offense. He’s a better leader, more mentally tough, reads defenses better, and is more coachable. Most people’s emotions appeal to the one who makes spectacular plays. I don’t buy the Rodgers has not had a good team because he has for multiple years. I don’t buy the coaching because last time I checked Belicheck was not an O coordinater. Belicheck before Brady wasnt doing much anyway. Rodgers def is more talented of the two. But Brady is just better overall, which also is a huge reason why he’s won so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Rodgers missed a couple big throws at the end of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Brady=Goku Rodgers=Gohan Manning=Vegeta Does this seem accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfournier103 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I don’t know. I’ll just say this: the more I think about it, the more I think that the Patriots’ success is a result of Tom Brady’s talent rather than Bill Belichick’s coaching. At least post-2004, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddyboy Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Enjoy Rogers while he is there. The 10 year gap from Lambeau to Lombardi was big. The 25 year gap from Starr to Favre was huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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