Norm Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cadmus said: His 2019 cap hit is approximately 1.125 million less than than the 10th ranked safety in 2019, who is Tashaun Gipson at 7.5. million. How are we comfortable paying Tramon 1 million less than the Texans are paying Tashaun Gipson... to play safety? Don't even get me started with the names of safeties that have significantly smaller cap hits than Tramon. I'm not talking about rookies either, I'm talking 2nd and 3rd contract players. Yeah I always assumed he was gone. Now I'm just wondering what the heck the thought process was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, Norm said: Yeah I always assumed he was gone. Now I'm just wondering what the heck the thought process was. When Tramon signed that contract and I saw the terms... I was like... huh there's no way he sees Year 2 of that deal. I thought that he'd literally need to roll back the clock a decade in terms of play level to even sniff Year 2 at THAT cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Who did we have at the time of the Tramon signing? I'm thinking it was King, Rollins, and Pipkins? They may have thought that it is an over pay, but he is sure and steady while we rebuild the CB group and the overall positional cost is pretty low. Fast forward and every safety that we have either: sucks, is injured, or is injured and sucks, and Tramon does his best there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Think maybe Tramon is still around because he's a 30 year veteran that is probably going into coaching and we have like zero defensive backs over 26 years old, like 0 cornerbacks over 24 years old and Tramon has played in multiple systems, knows how to play corner (and did it well for years) and might know a thing or two he can pass on to an extremely young secondary? With some of you it's like... ****. This man made a career for himself through straight up hard work and dedication and now he's making 6 million dollars when he probably shouldn't, but so the **** what. He's a Packer in every way and I'm happy for him, and I'm happy to have him on our roster all things considered. We clearly don't keep players if we feel their worth is not there, so it's abundantly clear to me that, unless he is in fact cut, we see lots of value there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Think maybe Tramon is still around because he's a 30 year veteran that is probably going into coaching and we have like zero defensive backs over 26 years old, like 0 cornerbacks over 24 years old and Tramon has played in multiple systems, knows how to play corner (and did it well for years) and might know a thing or two he can pass on to an extremely young secondary? With some of you it's like... ****. This man made a career for himself through straight up hard work and dedication and now he's making 6 million dollars when he probably shouldn't, but so the **** what. He's a Packer in every way and I'm happy for him, and I'm happy to have him on our roster all things considered. We clearly don't keep players if we feel their worth is not there, so it's abundantly clear to me that, unless he is in fact cut, we see lots of value there. That's my thinking right? It has to be the veteran status and everything like that. I'm not like steaming mad, I just assumed he'd be an easy cut. That's where my thing was, what was the value we saw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Think maybe Tramon is still around because he's a 30 year veteran that is probably going into coaching and we have like zero defensive backs over 26 years old, like 0 cornerbacks over 24 years old and Tramon has played in multiple systems, knows how to play corner (and did it well for years) and might know a thing or two he can pass on to an extremely young secondary? With some of you it's like... ****. This man made a career for himself through straight up hard work and dedication and now he's making 6 million dollars when he probably shouldn't, but so the **** what. He's a Packer in every way and I'm happy for him, and I'm happy to have him on our roster all things considered. We clearly don't keep players if we feel their worth is not there, so it's abundantly clear to me that, unless he is in fact cut, we see lots of value there. He already made his millions for all of this dedication. There's no room for sentiment if you want to win it all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaegybomb Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 The decision was whether to pay him 3.75 this year or not. The way the deal was structured and the cap hit this year is a tangent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Norm said: That's my thinking right? It has to be the veteran status and everything like that. I'm not like steaming mad, I just assumed he'd be an easy cut. That's where my thing was, what was the value we saw I think he's on the team still because even with Amos, he's probably our second best safety, which isnt a good thing. That's why safety, IMO, is still a pretty big hole on this team that we need to address either with another FA or by round 2 of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, packfanfb said: I think he's on the team still because even with Amos, he's probably our second best safety, which isnt a good thing. That's why safety, IMO, is still a pretty big hole on this team that we need to address either with another FA or by round 2 of the draft. If they hadn't paid him that 1 million bonus I wouldn't have thought much of this, just still waiting to upgrade. But now I'm wondering if he's staying all the way. IDK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jaegybomb said: The decision was whether to pay him 3.75 this year or not. The way the deal was structured and the cap hit this year is a tangent. No, the decision was to pay him 4.75 million, not 3.75 million. The Packers would've been on the hook for 1.625 million in dead cap, which seems pretty palatable when you consider the alternative. We could've freed up 4.75 million in cap space on March 14th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Norm said: If they hadn't paid him that 1 million bonus I wouldn't have thought much of this, just still waiting to upgrade. But now I'm wondering if he's staying all the way. IDK Suggests to me that they plan to draft a guy, not go with another vet. Williams is a safety net in case the rook doesnt start or play right away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaegybomb Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, Cadmus said: No, the decision was to pay him 4.75 million, not 3.75 million. The Packers would've been on the hook for 1.625 million in dead cap, which seems pretty palatable when you consider the alternative. We could've freed up 4.75 million in cap space on March 14th. Yea, I missed that just looking at spotrac. My bad. In the end it kind of looks like he's the starter this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Suggests to me that they plan to draft a guy, not go with another vet. Williams is a safety net in case the rook doesnt start or play right away. He has the 9th highest cap hit on the team. That's a ridiculously expensive safety net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cadmus said: He has the 9th highest cap hit on the team. That's a ridiculously expensive safety net. Agreed. Not saying I like it. I would have signed Tre Boston and given him Tramon's money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I did a complete 180 on tramon. I was very excited to have him last year. But I think this is a bad decision keeping him in 2019. I hope I do a complete 360 in the next 9months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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