Packerraymond Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: well, I like taking chances on an injured player when they have real upside to their game. I just don't see burnett as more than a steady eddie type player, and one who would have to come in and learn a new system to boot. If we're out there spending money at EDGE, I'd love steady at safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 minute ago, squire12 said: Unless the GB S & C staff is turned over, bringing back Burnett and expecting him to stay healthy for 12+ games seems foolish. He played in 11+ games here every year save his ACL tear in year 1. Yet we're all pounding the table for Earl Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If we're out there spending money at EDGE, I'd love steady at safety. yeah, but just not steady and injured... Just not interested in investing time and preparation and chemistry cycles in a guy who projects to play 8 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: yeah, but just not steady and injured... Just not interested in investing time and preparation and chemistry cycles in a guy who projects to play 8 games. His career average outside his ACL tear is more like 13 but OK.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redt Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Burnett has never been anything close to Thomas as a S, Thomas is a difference maker every time he is on the field, Burnett has never been that player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: His career average outside his ACL tear is more like 13 but OK.... Starting and not finishing due to injuries is a thing. Sure he played in a good % of games, but when the soft tissue strains are repeat issues, expecting them to decrease in frequency as Burnett gets older is silly. GB would still need to view him as a 3rd/4th safety and find another 1-2 in FA and draft to improve the position group as a whole. I just do not see the value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, squire12 said: Starting and not finishing due to injuries is a thing. Sure he played in a good % of games, but when the soft tissue strains are repeat issues, expecting them to decrease in frequency as Burnett gets older is silly. GB would still need to view him as a 3rd/4th safety and find another 1-2 in FA and draft to improve the position group as a whole. I just do not see the value THIS! He is clearly declining. Always liked him, solid player a few years ago. Never a playmaker though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: We'd take back the guy who quit on our secondary but not the guy who led it. Got it. Randall is the opposite of the usual scenario. Everyone hated him here, then he left and suddenly he's this All-Pro. He was nothing more than average last year. That's because tweedle dee and tweedle dum had him playing CB instead of FS. Even Whitt couldn't help himself after joining the Browns with a slow burn against his former employer when he commented about being thrilled to be able to work with DR at his "natural position." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Burnett was not good this year in PIT, and I have no real reason to believe he will be significantly better wherever he plays next year. If he happens to land in GB I would hope I'm wrong about that, but I wouldn't be optimistic. If there was ever a player who needed a change of scenery, it was Randall. For better or worse, the relationship between Mac and Randall seemed BBR. I probably would have felt different about the Randall trade had Mac been let go after last season, but those two were not going to be on the same team in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 If we seriously cut Jimmy Graham, I'll be officially one of the Founding Gute Haters. It would surely mean we would go out and sign a fourth tight end in free agency in four years, and no options out there are going to play as well as Jimmy for what we'd pay Jimmy. It would be sinking more money into a position that's not all that important in theory to an offense, and one that takes Rodgers time to get used to, so it would be taking another year back instead of a year forward with Jimmy. I said it was a mistake to cut Jordy when it happened, and it was. Don't know why people don't see that here. He was a significant threat in the red zone, and this was Aaron's worst year in the red zone of his career. Even neglecting who it is (Graham), it's just a really bad precedent. Ted Thompson was allergic to getting better, but whatever faults he had, he didn't have this compulsive need to get worse. Gute has shown a serious compulsion to getting worse. Cut Jordy. Traded Randall (before we added a single replacement). Traded Clinton-Dix. These are moves that demonstrably made us worse. We did NOT have better replacements at the time of their cutting. We just got rid of them. It's just, in my opinion, stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 To be clear, I'm not questioning Burnett's physical toughness. It's the mental part, and I don't blame him entirely. McCarthy (remember him?) had a "play not to lose philosophy," instead of a "play to win it philosophy" (for ex., he should have gone for two against the Cardinals) and Burnett bought into that philosophy. I think it's too late in Burnett's career to expect him to turn that around. Besides, as others have pointed out, he's a declining player. Maybe he could be serviceable for a couple of years, but I'd rather see Breeland and/or Jackson get a shot at safety first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: If we seriously cut Jimmy Graham, I'll be officially one of the Founding Gute Haters. It would surely mean we would go out and sign a fourth tight end in free agency in four years, and no options out there are going to play as well as Jimmy for what we'd pay Jimmy. It would be sinking more money into a position that's not all that important in theory to an offense, and one that takes Rodgers time to get used to, so it would be taking another year back instead of a year forward with Jimmy. I said it was a mistake to cut Jordy when it happened, and it was. Don't know why people don't see that here. He was a significant threat in the red zone, and this was Aaron's worst year in the red zone of his career. Even neglecting who it is (Graham), it's just a really bad precedent. Ted Thompson was allergic to getting better, but whatever faults he had, he didn't have this compulsive need to get worse. Gute has shown a serious compulsion to getting worse. Cut Jordy. Traded Randall (before we added a single replacement). Traded Clinton-Dix. These are moves that demonstrably made us worse. We did NOT have better replacements at the time of their cutting. We just got rid of them. It's just, in my opinion, stupid. There's no insider talk of cutting Graham, you typed all this out on a random thought in your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, packfanfb said: That's because tweedle dee and tweedle dum had him playing CB instead of FS. Even Whitt couldn't help himself after joining the Browns with a slow burn against his former employer when he commented about being thrilled to be able to work with DR at his "natural position." It's his natural coverage position. So he can't man up or press effectively at CB, he's a mess coming down hill and being physical in either the run or short pass game. So essentially you have a 1 high, deep Rover safety who is doesn't really do much anything else. Add in the fact that he's not a good locker room guy. Remind me again why we miss him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: There's no insider talk of cutting Graham, you typed all this out on a random thought in your head? Cutting Graham does seem to be a popular thought among GB beat writers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: There's no insider talk of cutting Graham, you typed all this out on a random thought in your head? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/26/talk-in-green-bay-that-jimmy-graham-could-get-cut/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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