Golfman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just my opinion and I'm sure others will have their's as well. I'm probably heavy in the first category and some of that (Alexander, MVS) are based on potential. I think they will both reach theirs. Absolute studs 12 Aaron Rodgers QB 33 Aaron Jones RB 17 Davante Adams WR 83 Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR 69 David Bakhtiari OT 97 Kenny Clark DT 76 Mike Daniels DT 50 Blake Martinez LB 23 Jaire Alexander CB Solid starters 63 Corey Linsley C 65 Lane Taylor G 75 Bryan Bulaga OT 96 Muhammad Wilkerson DE Jury still out but there is hope 64 Justin McCray G 78 Jason Spriggs OT 90 Montravius Adams DT 51 Kyler Fackrell LB 93 Reggie Gilbert LB 27 Josh Jones S 20 Kevin King CB 8 Tim Boyle QB 9 DeShone Kizer QB Solid Back up 30 Jamaal Williams RB 81 Geronimo Allison WR 94 Dean Lowry DE 47 Jake Ryan LB 26 Bashaud Breeland CB 29 Kentrell Brice S Potential high ceiling 82 J'Mon Moore WR 19 Equanimeous St. Brown WR 42 Oren Burks LB 37 Josh Jackson CB 36 Raven Greene S Battling for 2019 spots 32 Tra Carson RB 11 Trevor Davis WR 16 Jake Kumerow WR 85 Robert Tonyan TE 70 Alex Light G 62 Lucas Patrick G 74 Byron Bell OT 68 Kyle Murphy OT 95 Tyler Lancaster DT 54 James Crawford LB 28 Tony Brown CB 89 Marcedes Lewis TE Should be cut next year 44 Antonio Morrison LB 56 Korey Toomer LB 25 Will Redmond CB 39 Ibraheim Campbell S Need to go, last year 18 Randall Cobb WR 80 Jimmy Graham TE 84 Lance Kendricks TE 52 Clay Matthews LB 53 Nick Perry LB 31 Davon House CB 38 Tramon Williams CB Specialists 2 Mason Crosby PK 6 JK Scott P 43 Hunter Bradley LS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Golfman said: Need to go, last year 80 Jimmy Graham TE 52 Clay Matthews LB 53 Nick Perry LB 38 Tramon Williams CB Agree with the vast majority of your assessment of players and there does seem to be some good talent on the roster heading into next year. Got to ask, why do you think Graham and Williams need to go? Jimmy is not the All-Pro he once was, but he is at least a threat in the passing game and he commands attention. Furthermore, there is nothing behind him as Kendricks and Lewis are even more likely to be gone and Tonyan is a great unknown. I also think Tramon, despite his obvious limitations at this stage of his career, adds something to the DBs in terms of experience. Though I would not have any problem moving on from him if the numbers are against him next training camp. As for #52 and #53, suggesting they are not awesome and deserving of their roster spots means you must be trolling, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, Golfman said: Battling for 2019 spots Tony Brown CB how dare you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Agree with the vast majority of your assessment of players and there does seem to be some good talent on the roster heading into next year. Got to ask, why do you think Graham and Williams need to go? Jimmy is not the All-Pro he once was, but he is at least a threat in the passing game and he commands attention. Furthermore, there is nothing behind him as Kendricks and Lewis are even more likely to be gone and Tonyan is a great unknown. I also think Tramon, despite his obvious limitations at this stage of his career, adds something to the DBs in terms of experience. Though I would not have any problem moving on from him if the numbers are against him next training camp. As for #52 and #53, suggesting they are not awesome and deserving of their roster spots means you must be trolling, right? Tramon has been a liability no matter the position. I think that one is obvious. Graham, we aren't getting our money's worth in any, way, shape or form. He needs to go for sure. As for 52 and 53, I was for getting rid of Matthews in the off season to upgrade. He was losing it and it was obvious. Perry has just fallen off the face of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, FinneasGage said: how dare you Dude could make a leap, I'm willing to admit that. I also hope he does make a leap. Needs to play a lot smarter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Golfman said: Tramon has been a liability no matter the position. I think that one is obvious. Graham, we aren't getting our money's worth in any, way, shape or form. He needs to go for sure. As for 52 and 53, I was for getting rid of Matthews in the off season to upgrade. He was losing it and it was obvious. Perry has just fallen off the face of the earth. Graham is 8th in yards, and 10th in receptions for a tight end this year. He's a bit pricey, but it would be hard to replace the production at tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 When I saw the title of this thread, I was hoping GB hired an outside consultant - football experts (and no, I don’t mean dudes from this forum, sorry) to conduct a comprehensive program evaluation. Football is a business. Plenty of successful Fortune 500 companies contract outside consultants to provide expert analysis and program improvement for their companies. We need to pair Mac and crew with some “outside” experts to show them a break down of their current scheme and detail an optimal scheme that maximizes the talents and potential of the current roster. I know this is what coaches are supposed to do as part of their job, but CEO’s - great ones - acknowledge that sometimes a third-party evaluation can significantly improve outcomes, ROI, and overall efficiency. I’m sure it’s been done before, and this is not me giving up on the ability of our current staff to get the job done. It’s just a standard, smart business practice in an ever-changing and competitive climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snackattack Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Why is the jury out on king? Injury reasons?? When heathy i have been really happy with him this year. Running down the field with that speed demon from san fran and picking off the ball to end the game was a thing of beauty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Yikes, letting go of Graham already, that would make it 3 TEs we've signed in FA that we let go after 1 year. Think we need to pump the brakes and let this season play out a little more. Hell Jared Cook had worse stats in 16 games with the Packers in 2016 than Graham thru 9 and didn't get going till the playoffs. Can we at least get some stability at TE for once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I was expecting big things from Jimmy this year on the Packers. Sucks to hear he hasn't lived up to expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I might rate them like this. Players with a '*' by their name are not performing up to a large contract. OFFENSEStuds : D.Bakhtiari, D.Adams, A.JonesAbove Average: A.Rodgers*, C.Linsley, J.WilliamsAverage Vet: J.Graham*, B.Bulaga*, R.Cobb*, L.Taylor, G.AllisonBelow Average: B.Bell, L.Kendricks, M.Lewis, J.Spriggs, L.Patrick, J.McCrayYoung Ascending: MVS, ESBYoung Unknown: J.Moore, D.Kizer, T.Boyle, R.Tonyan, A.Light, T.Carson DEFENSEStuds: K.Clark, M.DanielsAbove Average: M.Wilkerson, B.MartinezAverage Vet: N.Perry*, C.Matthews*, D.Lowry, T.Williams, B.Breeland, K.FackrellBelow Average: K.Brice, T.Lancaster, I.Campbell, W.Redmond, A.Morrison, K.ToomerYoung Ascending: J.Alexander, O.Burks, K.KingYoung Unknown: J.Jackson, T.Brown, J.Jones, R.Gilbert, M.Adams, R.Greene, J.Crawford SPECIAL TEAMS Crosby (above average) Scott (young unknown) Bradley (young unknown) INCOMPLETE (for 2018) T.Davis, D.House, J.Kumerow, K.Murphy, J.Ryan Some players are being rated on very little knowledge, it's just my feeling on where they should go. You might argue certain players. Some would say Alexander should already be in the Studs category (I put him in the Young Ascending) and vice-versa for A.Jones. Others, like Patrick and McCray could easily have gone in 'Young Unknown'. A.Rodgers not being in the 'studs' category is rather shocking, but reflects his play in 2018 (and this thread is titled '2018 Packers'). Guys like Perry and Matthews might have fitted better in the 'below average' category, but I thought they were a touch better than that overall, despite not getting to the QB that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Graham is 8th in yards, and 10th in receptions for a tight end this year. He's a bit pricey, but it would be hard to replace the production at tight end. Yes, keep Graham but draft his replacement this spring seeing we really don't have anyone better backing him up. Lewis is a great blocker but that's about it. Kendricks has hands of stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, snackattack said: Why is the jury out on king? Injury reasons?? When heathy i have been really happy with him this year. Running down the field with that speed demon from san fran and picking off the ball to end the game was a thing of beauty But there is the rub. He can't stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Pugger said: But there is the rub. He can't stay on the field. Can't help the club if you are in the tub! Guy is do for some good injury luck at some point .. isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said: I might rate them like this. Players with a '*' by their name are not performing up to a large contract. OFFENSEStuds : D.Bakhtiari, D.Adams, A.JonesAbove Average: A.Rodgers*, C.Linsley, J.WilliamsAverage Vet: J.Graham*, B.Bulaga*, R.Cobb*, L.Taylor, G.AllisonBelow Average: B.Bell, L.Kendricks, M.Lewis, J.Spriggs, L.Patrick, J.McCrayYoung Ascending: MVS, ESBYoung Unknown: J.Moore, D.Kizer, T.Boyle, R.Tonyan, A.Light, T.Carson DEFENSEStuds: K.Clark, M.DanielsAbove Average: M.Wilkerson, B.MartinezAverage Vet: N.Perry*, C.Matthews*, D.Lowry, T.Williams, B.Breeland, K.FackrellBelow Average: K.Brice, T.Lancaster, I.Campbell, W.Redmond, A.Morrison, K.ToomerYoung Ascending: J.Alexander, O.Burks, K.KingYoung Unknown: J.Jackson, T.Brown, J.Jones, R.Gilbert, M.Adams, R.Greene, J.Crawford SPECIAL TEAMS Crosby (above average) Scott (young unknown) Bradley (young unknown) INCOMPLETE (for 2018) T.Davis, D.House, J.Kumerow, K.Murphy, J.Ryan Some players are being rated on very little knowledge, it's just my feeling on where they should go. You might argue certain players. Some would say Alexander should already be in the Studs category (I put him in the Young Ascending) and vice-versa for A.Jones. Others, like Patrick and McCray could easily have gone in 'Young Unknown'. A.Rodgers not being in the 'studs' category is rather shocking, but reflects his play in 2018 (and this thread is titled '2018 Packers'). Guys like Perry and Matthews might have fitted better in the 'below average' category, but I thought they were a touch better than that overall, despite not getting to the QB that much. I like this a lot and only have a few differences. Aaron Rodgers was a shocker for me. He's been average compared to the Aaron Rodgers we're spoiled over, but in spite of that he's still top 3 in the league. Please tell me 3 you would take over him? I'm not seeing it. Especially given how his receiving corp has been so much in flux and he was playing on 1 leg for 7 games. I would disagree on Spriggs. When he played in 2018 he was at least average. Can't have one standard for Rodgers and another for Spriggs. McCray is still an unknown to me. Only really played 2 games at guard and was injured. I like his upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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