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Could Patricia/Wilks be one and done coaches?

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Seems really kneejerk to fire a coach in their first year, but doing so isn't unprecented; Jim Mora was fired after one season in Seattle in 2009.

So far neither of the two inspire confidence in their respective teams and Patricia especially seems to have lost the locker room.

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I think you shouldn’t because 

1. We’ve seen all time great coaches struggle early on (Belichick was 5-11 year one with the Pats, Landry went 6 years without a winning record in Dallas... for the record both coaches went on to have the two longest strings of consecutive winning seasons)

2. It creates a situation where a coach with options doesn’t want to go near you because he thinks they won’t be given time 

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Apparently zero Cardinals fans have faith in Wilks. Seems like he took a team that finished 8-8 the previous year, and made them worse with his changes. Firing a coach after one season is really a knee jerk move, but it really depends on the situation. Just speaking as a 49ers fan, Jim Tomsula for the 49ers clearly was in over his head. Chip Kelly along with GM Trent Baalke seemed like a shotgun wedding. It just wasn't going to work out either way. 

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How good of DC was Steve Wilks? He def isn't leaving cuz Steve Keim wouldn't do a coach like that

Matt Praticia is a below average coach, he'll be fired after 2 years

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For what it's worth, the cards have never fired a coach in less than 2 years.   The Lions are a different story, but nobody really knows.  Bob Quinn stepped in Bedfordshire coach who had a winning record and hired Patricia, so he has a lot riding on Patricia, but Patricia has the media completely against him.  We don't know if he's lost the locker room,but the media is going to trash everything he does.  

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Why would Patricia be fired after 1 season? It's not like the Lions are underperforming. 

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The only coach who could get fired after year 1 is Wilks - it really hinges on what kind of OC he can bring in to help make the O NFL-caliber.  Mike McCoy's hire was an absolute joke.  If Byron Leftwich can show some growth in 2018, and he (or whoever replaces him in 2019) can do a decent job, then Wilks has hope (and to be fair, GM Keim needs to spend 2 of the first 3, if not all 3 picks, on upgrading OL, and getting a FA upgrade for the 3rd spot).     Given Rosen is their future, they need to figure out who's going to guide the O scheme's direction long-term.  That could lead to a HC ouster.   Otherwise, teams pretty much give 2 years minimum to let HC's find their way - HC candidates start avoiding teams that make a practice of that.   If it was purely a 1-and-done as a normal way of doing things, well, honestly, DEN would have probably parted ways with Vance Joseph last year, but the thinking is if you make the hire, you give them at least 2 (on a supposedly decent team, which we're not, but the FO said we were - um nope) or 3 years (on a bad team).

 

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56 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

For what it's worth, the cards have never fired a coach in less than 2 years.   The Lions are a different story, but nobody really knows.  Bob Quinn stepped in Bedfordshire coach who had a winning record and hired Patricia, so he has a lot riding on Patricia, but Patricia has the media completely against him.  We don't know if he's lost the locker room,but the media is going to trash everything he does.  

Why does the media hate him? Is it because he told a reporter to sit up straight and be respectful even though the dude wears his hat backwards and has pencil on his ear all the time, lmao

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If they aren't fired after this year they will both most likely be fired after 2019 season. Its stinks for the team because you don't want to become the Browns and Raiders and be known for a coaching graveyard but if you really feel you made a bad hire just move on. More and more teams are gonna be hiring young offensive minded coaches. Matt LaFleur, Eric Bieniemy, John DeFilippo. I think Mark Helfrich has done real nice work in Chicago. learning from Nagy who comes from the Reid tree. He'll be a hot name in a year or two.

 

   

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28 minutes ago, Elky said:

Players aren't big on him and has gotten too testy with the media.

I love MattPatt as much as any other NE fan, but you simply can't do that with the spotlight on you now.

When Belichick disciples have failed, it has been because they try to be too much like Belichick. That seems to be exactly what Patricia is doing. The expectation is that the guy was too smart to do something like that, but I guess not.

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Maybe this should be in a separate thread, I'll say it anyway. In this day and age, I don't see the point of hiring a coach that comes from a defensive background. It's an offensive league, and quarterback is the most important position. You won't have a good offensive coordinator, because they'll be snatched up for a HC gig. So then you're at the mercy of your coordinators and the offense changing when players need continuity. Particularly, you have a young quarterback that is supposed to be leading the franchise, why would you give yourself the potential problem of an offense changing from one year to another? 

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The Cardinals would be pretty stupid to fire Wilks after 1 season.  No idea why they would consider that when he's stuck with a rookie quarterback and a patchwork o line with a team in transition

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1 hour ago, footbull3196 said:

The Cardinals would be pretty stupid to fire Wilks after 1 season.  No idea why they would consider that when he's stuck with a rookie quarterback and a patchwork o line with a team in transition

Normally I’d agree 100 percent here.  The issue is that if Leftwich isn’t the future at OC then the need to get a guy to develop the QB / O scheme it might require a HC level hire to get an attractive candidate.  

If Leftwich isn’t the answer then at the very least a new OC is needed.  Whatever scheme the new OC (or HC) chooses really changes what type of OL they draft.  Rosen, DJ, Kirk & RSJ probably fit best in a quick strike spread attack system but the OL choices ideally fit the system the new guy chooses.  So this might be one of those rare times where changing direction completely makes more sense.  

The other part about Wilks is that he’s implemented a zone based coverage scheme that’s completely neutered Patrick Peterson’s abilities.  A coach who can’t adapt the system to help the best players succeed isn’t a coach that’s likely to succeed.  I have no problem with the notion he should normally get more time but the scheme - PP mismatch signals a bigger problem than just a year 1 adjustment phase.   That’s the kind of inflexibility that killed Rex Ryan in forcing his 3-4 D to a BUF D that killed it under Jim Schwartz’s Wide 9 - and turned a top 5 D unit into a bottom 10 unit right away. 

I believe in the rule to give coaches 2-3 years (3 if a team is really bad).   The need to commit to a new O scheme and invest long term and Wilks’ inability to adjust scheme to his best players might make this the justifiable exception.  

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