Raves Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Tugboat said: Yeah. Absolutely. But JT Barrett being a really bad QB and a total non-prospect for the next level, doesn't inherently make Haskins a great bluechip prospect either. I don't think there's any question that Haskins is on a completely different level than JT Barrett as a prospect. But like you're insinuating...JT Barrett was playing on a kinda garbage tier level, while still posting pretty respectable statistical results in that system/situation. ie. There's a pretty high built in "floor" to those circumstances, where even a non-prospect like Barrett can pile up quite a few yards, comp%, TD-INT ratio, etc. Haskins has pretty clearly performed well above that "floor" for the system...but it's still worth noting that floor for context, and recognizing that he is in what appears by multiple assessment methods, to be a pretty flattering situation. But so are most QBs... Even then a flattering system can be taken to another level by an elite player. Look at the Patriots. Their system ran by Brady is amazing, or at least has been in the past, but yet you could get Matt Cassel come in there and still post a respective result. Look at Oklahoma even. Baker Mayfield put up good/great numbers there, Kyler Murray is putting up great/excellent numbers. It's a difference in the prospect that can take a flattering situation and make is look easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So...with Day taking over for Meyer - any effect on Haskins’ chances of staying / leaving? If it was anyone but Day Is say he’s gone for sure but that move does seem like a fairly seamless transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Broncofan said: So...with Day taking over for Meyer - any effect on Haskins’ chances of staying / leaving? If it was anyone but Day Is say he’s gone for sure but that move does seem like a fairly seamless transition. I don't think that it factors in at all. I think that Dwayne is going to go pro/was going to regardless. It's a weak QB class, he's had a great year, and he'll make millions. From a refinement and readiness perspective, he would be better served coming back another year, but from a financial standpoint it makes no sense. (See: Trubisky, Darnold as a 2 year starter as opposed to 1, but we've seen that this year). I'd be shocked if he left that money on the table and came back, but I guess you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 All this talk about "QB friendly systems" makes me chuckle. How many coaches run system that are intentionally hostile to QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, TVScout said: All this talk about "QB friendly systems" makes me chuckle. How many coaches run system that are intentionally hostile to QBs? Jeff Fisher says hold my beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Sophomore Haskins is a lot like freshman Jameis Winston. That's fair and about as far as you can take that comp. But it also tells you how much isn't known about Dwayne. He's a major boom/bust guy as a potential top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, BrownLeader said: Sophomore Haskins is a lot like freshman Jameis Winston. That's fair and about as far as you can take that comp. But it also tells you how much isn't known about Dwayne. He's a major boom/bust guy as a potential top 10 pick. Two different levels of accuracy between the two IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 23 hours ago, Broncofan said: Jeff Fisher says hold my beer. That proves my point. There are some 200+ head coaches at the college and NFL levels. You managed to find exactly one former head coach who is QB hostile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, TVScout said: That proves my point. There are some 200+ head coaches at the college and NFL levels. You managed to find exactly one former head coach who is QB hostile. Hue Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, TVScout said: That proves my point. There are some 200+ head coaches at the college and NFL levels. You managed to find exactly one former head coach who is QB hostile. It was just low hanging fruit, too easy to resist (Hue being the other lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Hue Jackson Another former head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, TVScout said: That proves my point. There are some 200+ head coaches at the college and NFL levels. You managed to find exactly one former head coach who is QB hostile. Marty Schott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 11:06 AM, TVScout said: All this talk about "QB friendly systems" makes me chuckle. How many coaches run system that are intentionally hostile to QBs? Hue Jackson. Mike Martz's schemes were designed to get his QB's killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 22 hours ago, Raves said: Marty Schott? I wasn't aware that he even used a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 22 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Mike Martz's schemes were designed to get his QB's killed. That is over the top and hard to believe. Warner went from an UDFA to all-pro and HoF under Martz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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