Two questions to ponder.

[jleisher]

#1.  The heat is on MM and some on Rodgers, but is Mark Murphy getting a free pass here?  After all, it was on his watch that TT didn't restock the talent.  Fair question?

 

#2.  What if, again, not saying it will or it won't, but what if when the Packers 1st round pick is up and sitting at # whatever is Justin Herbert QB Oregon, do you make the pick?  Trade down, or skip over him and select another player of lower value?

[Nick_gb]

53 minutes ago, jleisher said:

#1.  The heat is on MM and some on Rodgers, but is Mark Murphy getting a free pass here?  After all, it was on his watch that TT didn't restock the talent.  Fair question?

 

#2.  What if, again, not saying it will or it won't, but what if when the Packers 1st round pick is up and sitting at # whatever is Justin Herbert QB Oregon, do you make the pick?  Trade down, or skip over him and select another player of lower value?

#1. Mark Murphy has been rather hands-off as a "president" and with his more hands-on approach going forward then he will start to receive some more of that blame or credit whether good or bad.

#2. We should probably wait to see if Herbert is coming out this year, all the reports state he's returning to Oregon. So, no point answering the question because as of right now it doesn't even appear to be a possible scenario.

[Gopackgonerd]

1. Well I mean Murphy doesn't coach the team, and he did replace Ted and you have to see what Gute does for a couple years to fully guage how well he puts together this roster. I think this year can be chalked up to a rebuilding year. Think next year is where Gute really needs to shine.

2. I don't like the idea of using a 1st round pick on a QB, way too early to look for Rodgers replacement. We hit on a good defensive player in Alexander, lets continue that route and just go  stock up that Defense through FA and the Draft.

[{Family Ghost}]

The organization got fat and happy ... they assumed the party would continue and Rodgers would keep bailing the team out.

[Mr Anonymous]

4 hours ago, Nick_gb said:

#1. Mark Murphy has been rather hands-off as a "president" and with his more hands-on approach going forward then he will start to receive some more of that blame or credit whether good or bad.

He was hands off all the way up to when McCarthy threw his fit and he'll be hands off again when McCarthy is shown the door in a month. He deserves blame for 2 things, letting Ted Thompson carry on in his shell too long and for this wasted season. Now he needs to hope he fell into the right hire and once again get the heck out of the way. I say "fell in" because he wanted to hire Russ Ball.

[AlexGreen#20]

1. Murphy hasn't been actively involved. No reason to be down on him.

2. What's the point of drafting Herbert with Rodgers' contract as it is now? The entire purpose of having a rookie QB is you can stock the team with the cheap contract. There's no cheap contract with Herbert by the time Rodgers is done. 

[Sasquatch]

Murphy somewhat took his eye off the ball and the “football first” philosophy that presidents before him held sacred much of the previous 20 years before he took over. His focus on Titletown and real estate development distracted him, and while it wasn’t a problem in his first five years because things were rolling along relatively well with TT at the helm, he didn’t see some of the somewhat subtle signs that there were some problems developing.  Like when TT started giving Ball personnel decision making powers, when Ball had no experience scouting talent.

[Mr Anonymous]

12 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

Murphy somewhat took his eye off the ball and the “football first” philosophy that presidents before him held sacred much of the previous 20 years before he took over. His focus on Titletown and real estate development distracted him, and while it wasn’t a problem in his first five years because things were rolling along relatively well with TT at the helm, he didn’t see some of the somewhat subtle signs that there were some problems developing.  Like when TT started giving Ball personnel decision making powers, when Ball had no experience scouting talent.

Bingo. He has to know when to step in. He took too long with TT. Once he hired Gute, he should have stepped aside and let him do his job just like Harlan did. And thankfully he'll do just that in about one month. Take a back seat and give Gute the authority the position requires and then not a peep until once again change is needed. Hopefully many, many years from now.

[Sasquatch]

1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Bingo. He has to know when to step in. He took too long with TT. Once he hired Gute, he should have stepped aside and let him do his job just like Harlan did. And thankfully he'll do just that in about one month. Take a back seat and give Gute the authority the position requires and then not a peep until once again change is needed. Hopefully many, many years from now.

Furthermore, Murphy’s triumpherate leadership model, where MM reports directly to Murphy, undermines Gute’s ability to act as a true GM.  I’m not sure Murphy - with his eyes and attention directed away from football operations for so long - was prepared to jump in and suddenly assume that role.  Bottom line, if you’re president, and things aren’t going well, you definitely assume the responsibility.  That goes for good times also, and Bob Harlan was adept at keeping the organization focused on “football first”.

[Pugger]

14 hours ago, jleisher said:

#1.  The heat is on MM and some on Rodgers, but is Mark Murphy getting a free pass here?  After all, it was on his watch that TT didn't restock the talent.  Fair question?

 

#2.  What if, again, not saying it will or it won't, but what if when the Packers 1st round pick is up and sitting at # whatever is Justin Herbert QB Oregon, do you make the pick?  Trade down, or skip over him and select another player of lower value?

If we win 3/4 more games this season I doubt Herbert will be around in the early teens unless he falls like Rodgers did 2005.

[St Vince]

This is an awesome topic that I can vent on. Mark Murphy is absolutely not responsible for the woes on the football side of the organization. Bob Harlan put in place when he hired Ron wolf a power system that the general manager had full control of football operations without any outside interference even from the president. Murphy's job was to handle the business side of the organization and have a hands-off approach when it came down to player personnel and hiring and firing coaches. But he's change the power structure since the Ted Thompson debacle. 

 Ted Thompson gets 110% of the blame of the poor state of the franchise today. He's the reason Rodgers only has one ring. He had Raji, Matthews, Rodgers, Finley and a good chunk of the core on rookie deals.

Woodson went to Thompson and begged for more Veterans to be added but Thompson was stubborn, instead of adding veterans he went younger, he let the best inside pass rusher in Cullen Jenkins walk and that defense was never the same, they went from #3 in 2010 to #31 in defense in 2011. Thompson obsession with having the youngest roster year after year is this organizations downfall. His bad draft and developed philosophy ultimately has us in the poor state that we are in now.

GM's like pace,  John Schneider the Rams, Eagles and other GM'S know if you have a good QB on a rookie deal you go for it now. We're now in a situation with a quarterback chewing up most of our salary cap making it hard getting impact players in free agency going forward.

 

 

[{Family Ghost}]

16 hours ago, jleisher said:

#1.  The heat is on MM and some on Rodgers, but is Mark Murphy getting a free pass here?  After all, it was on his watch that TT didn't restock the talent.  Fair question?

 

#2.  What if, again, not saying it will or it won't, but what if when the Packers 1st round pick is up and sitting at # whatever is Justin Herbert QB Oregon, do you make the pick?  Trade down, or skip over him and select another player of lower value?

The whole organization got a bit lazy while Arod was leading the team to playoff after playoff.  I think Murphy made the right call at GM .. what will determine his fate will be what he does with the HC.  If he keeps Mac and the team under performs again in 2019 .. he might be gone along with Mac.

I don't think we can take a QB at this point .. maybe two or three years from now.  I'd probably trade the pick ... hopefully wouldn't have to move down very far.

[Arthur Penske]

If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?

[Howler]

14 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

The organization got fat and happy ... they assumed the party would continue and Rodgers would keep bailing the team out.

I think that's it. They kept neglecting the offensive side of the ball, while expecting Rodgers to continue to perform as a demigod.  Plus, there was no real onus on McCarthy to clean up his deficiencies. 

[jleisher]

16 hours ago, Nick_gb said:

#1. Mark Murphy has been rather hands-off as a "president" and with his more hands-on approach going forward then he will start to receive some more of that blame or credit whether good or bad.

#2. We should probably wait to see if Herbert is coming out this year, all the reports state he's returning to Oregon. So, no point answering the question because as of right now it doesn't even appear to be a possible scenario.

Thanks about the Herbert 411, it's that time of the year that all our mocks my include players that won't come out.