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23 minutes ago, mikemike778 said:

No,  give Kizer another year.

Pretty sure Rodgers was terrible in his first couple of seasons - wasn't he behind Flynn on the depth chart first season. Kizer had no help whatsoever today. Packers only good receiver wasn't playing. The running game was useless and the line was about as much use as 5 rusty turn-styles. Rodgers did absolutely nothing whatsoever when he was in.

If you can get a vet on a cheap deal you think can win games then go with that but I'd go Kizer above another young guy. Not much point recycling young QBs every year, you have to let them try and develop. 

Rodgers behind Flynn? I think Flynn was behind Brian Brohm if I remember correctly. Or at least drafted after him in the same draft. Rodgers was The starter when Flynn was drafted in 2008

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For what its worth I don't recall Rodgers looking this awful early in his career and he didnt have near the game reps that Kizer has had. I do remember he was or seemed to be injured a lot. In limited duty. I think it was his foot he injured after just a few passes in a game against the Lions something like that, then there was a concussion somewhere in there not sure on the time tables but I seem to remember there was lots of discussion about his longevity. Most likely because we had watched favre never leave the game for so many years.

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10 minutes ago, Reaper said:

Rodgers behind Flynn? I think Flynn was behind Brian Brohm if I remember correctly. Or at least drafted after him in the same draft. Rodgers was The starter when Flynn was drafted in 2008

Honestly can't remember, probably messed my years up. All I do know he was struggling badly in his first season and possibly second season. 

Either way, unless you are going to throw a very high pick at it which I doubt anyone would be happy with, the odds on getting a QB much better than Kizer off the shelf from the draft are very low. 

Years of serious neglect mean that outside of Rodgers, the talent on offense really isn't very good. Take away Adams and Bakh which was the case today and it goes from not very good to really bad. I'd hope that nobody makes a knee-jerk reaction on Kizer today. It was going to extremely difficult for any non elite QB. He's got to sort out the problem with chucking it up for grabs when under heavy pressure but that's something that should be coachable. 

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36 minutes ago, mikemike778 said:

No,  give Kizer another year.

Pretty sure Rodgers was terrible in his first couple of seasons - wasn't he behind Flynn on the depth chart first season. Kizer had no help whatsoever today. Packers only good receiver wasn't playing. The running game was useless and the line was about as much use as 5 rusty turn-styles. Rodgers did absolutely nothing whatsoever when he was in.

If you can get a vet on a cheap deal you think can win games then go with that but I'd go Kizer above another young guy. Not much point recycling young QBs every year, you have to let them try and develop. 

You are thinking of Brian Brohm.  Rodgers was the back up for his first 3 years who only got meaningful snaps in one game (Favre Injured his shoulder against Dallas in Rodger's 3rd season ).  He played pretty well considering if was his first meaningful NFL snaps.  He also played very well in his previous 2 preseasons before taking over as starter.

Rodgers played only 2 series and suffered a concussion on just the second play of the game.  Hard to compare his play to that of Kizer ran the offense for 3+ quarters and didn't manage 1 single point despite playing at home against a  terrible Detroit team.

Kizer didn't get a ton of help today but he also wasn't much help unless he was running.  He was extremely erratic throwing the ball.  Luckily he only had 1 INT because there were 3 passes that hit defenders in the hands.  2 of those passes were awful decisions.  

At this point it is what it is.  The season is lost regardless if Rodgers gets hurt.  While I  think there are better options (Barkley was signed off the street) Kizer is cheap and we paid a substantial price to bring him in.  

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I was curious about the value of receivers and tight ends, so I decided to break down the top 50 active receiving leaders by when they were drafted: 

Day 1 (1st round)
Day 2 (2nd-3rd round)
Day 3/UDFA

1    Larry Fitzgerald    16,279
2    Brandon Marshall    12,351
3    Antonio Gates    11,841 (TE)
4    Antonio Brown    11,207

5    Julio Jones    10,731
6    DeSean Jackson    10,261
7    Demaryius Thomas    9,330
8    A.J. Green    8,907

9    Jordy Nelson    8,587
10    T.Y. Hilton    8,097
11    Mike Wallace    8,072

12    Rob Gronkowski    7,861 (TE)
13    Pierre Garcon    7,854
14    Greg Olsen    7,847 (TE)
15    Michael Crabtree    7,477
16    Vernon Davis    7,439 (TE)
17    DeAndre Hopkins    7,437

18    Jimmy Graham    7,436 (TE)
19    Golden Tate    7,214
20    Emmanuel Sanders    7,024

21    Doug Baldwin    6,563
22    Alshon Jeffery    6,181
23    Mike Evans    6,103
24    Ben Watson    5,885 (TE)
25    Eric Decker    5,816
26    Delanie Walker    5,673 (TE)
27    Randall Cobb    5,524
28    Odell Beckham    5,476
29    Jared Cook    5,464 (TE)
30    Brandon LaFell    5,398

31    Julian Edelman    5,390
32    Ted Ginn    5,281
33    Travis Kelce    5,236 (TE)
34    Keenan Allen    5,206

35    Brandin Cooks    5,147
36    Torrey Smith    5,141
37    Kenny Britt    5,137
38    Jarvis Landry    5,014
39    Zach Ertz    4,827 (TE)

40    Darren Sproles    4,816 (RB)
41    Danny Amendola    4,684
42    Marcedes Lewis    4,541 (TE)
43    Robert Woods    4,451
44    Marvin Jones    4,268
45    Davante Adams    4,197
46    Kenny Stills    4,138
47    Mohamed Sanu    3,987
48    Michael Floyd    3,959
49    Amari Cooper    3,908

50    Adam Thielen    3,897

The final results show 17 from Day 1 (34%), 21 Day from 2 (42%), and 12 from Day 3/UDFA (24%).

It's worth noting there are 11 TE on this list. I wondered if that might skew the percentages, but it follows a similar trend: 4 from Day 1, 5 from Day 2,  2 from Day 3/UDFA.

Based on the data, I definitively support drafting an offensive playmaker on Day 2, preferably a TE, as I'm optimistic about our young wideouts.

 

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1 minute ago, Lodestar said:

I was curious about the value of receivers and tight ends, so I decided to break down the top 50 active receiving leaders by when they were drafted: 

Day 1 (1st round)
Day 2 (2nd-3rd round)
Day 3/UDFA

1    Larry Fitzgerald    16,279
2    Brandon Marshall    12,351
3    Antonio Gates    11,841 (TE)
4    Antonio Brown    11,207

5    Julio Jones    10,731
6    DeSean Jackson    10,261
7    Demaryius Thomas    9,330
8    A.J. Green    8,907

9    Jordy Nelson    8,587
10    T.Y. Hilton    8,097
11    Mike Wallace    8,072

12    Rob Gronkowski    7,861 (TE)
13    Pierre Garcon    7,854
14    Greg Olsen    7,847 (TE)
15    Michael Crabtree    7,477
16    Vernon Davis    7,439 (TE)
17    DeAndre Hopkins    7,437

18    Jimmy Graham    7,436 (TE)
19    Golden Tate    7,214
20    Emmanuel Sanders    7,024

21    Doug Baldwin    6,563
22    Alshon Jeffery    6,181
23    Mike Evans    6,103
24    Ben Watson    5,885 (TE)
25    Eric Decker    5,816
26    Delanie Walker    5,673 (TE)
27    Randall Cobb    5,524
28    Odell Beckham    5,476
29    Jared Cook    5,464 (TE)
30    Brandon LaFell    5,398

31    Julian Edelman    5,390
32    Ted Ginn    5,281
33    Travis Kelce    5,236 (TE)
34    Keenan Allen    5,206

35    Brandin Cooks    5,147
36    Torrey Smith    5,141
37    Kenny Britt    5,137
38    Jarvis Landry    5,014
39    Zach Ertz    4,827 (TE)

40    Darren Sproles    4,816 (RB)
41    Danny Amendola    4,684
42    Marcedes Lewis    4,541 (TE)
43    Robert Woods    4,451
44    Marvin Jones    4,268
45    Davante Adams    4,197
46    Kenny Stills    4,138
47    Mohamed Sanu    3,987
48    Michael Floyd    3,959
49    Amari Cooper    3,908

50    Adam Thielen    3,897

The final results show 17 from Day 1 (34%), 21 Day from 2 (42%), and 12 from Day 3/UDFA (24%).

It's worth noting there are 11 TE on this list. I wondered if that might skew the percentages, but it follows a similar trend: 4 from Day 1, 5 from Day 2,  2 from Day 3/UDFA.

Based on the data, I definitively support drafting an offensive playmaker on Day 2, preferably a TE, as I'm optimistic about our young wideouts.

 

You need to do their avg yards per game played or season or something. This shows nothing because all of the players near the top have just been in the league longer

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1 minute ago, JBURGE said:

You need to do their avg yards per game played or season or something This shows nothing because all of the players near the top have just been in the league longer

You can do it. I disagree that longevity "shows nothing." I want guys who are going to be on this list in 5-7 years.

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4 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

bumping this.

I personally can attempt better routes than MVS

This made me literally LOL.  I hope you’re as wrong about MVS heading into 2020 as you were about Crosby heading into 2019, but you’re right we can’t assume MVS will put it together like Davante did.  
 

I just hope we don’t break the bank on an over the hill WR like we did at TE two years ago.  I’m of the opinion that two mediocre receivers in free agency and a second or third round pick is the best approach.

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1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

This made me literally LOL.  I hope you’re as wrong about MVS heading into 2020 as you were about Crosby heading into 2019, but you’re right we can’t assume MVS will put it together like Davante did.  
 

I just hope we don’t break the bank on an over the hill WR like we did at TE two years ago.  I’m of the opinion that two mediocre receivers in free agency and a second or third round pick is the best approach.

yeah, same.  I am doubling down on crosby though.  Or quadrupling or whatever we're at by now.

This was for heading into 2019 btw.  As it turned out... the kids were not,  after all, all right.

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1 minute ago, skibrett15 said:

yeah, same.  I am doubling down on crosby though.  Or quadrupling or whatever we're at by now.

This was for heading into 2019 btw.  As it turned out... the kids were not,  after all, all right.

Well Crosby is a free agent now.  Now is the time we try to find our next kicker.  

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