Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: Year Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number % Of Cap Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade Prorated Roster Workout Other Total $14,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,500,000 $0 $0 $20,984,375 2017 $2,250,000 $2,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,734,375 2.2% $3,500,000 $234,375 2018 $3,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $4,750,000 2.7% $1,250,000 $3,500,000 2019 $4,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $5,750,000 3.0% $1,250,000 $4,500,000 2020 $5,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $6,750,000 3.4% $1,250,000 $5,500,000 Where you getting your numbers? Spotrac. They have his 2018 salary as guaranteed. If you look at the overall breakdown on OTC, you'll see they mention that McClain got $10.5M in total guarantees, but they only show the 2017 salary and signing bonus. That would make for $3.25M short ... or his 2018 salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'll admit I'm disappointed on McClain I can admit I was wrong . mcgee is a wait and see but mckinight right there signings haven't shown a lot . The only signing that has been pretty good considering has been Phil Taylor who is playing at a very low price and shown good play. if it was to me our starting DL should be Allen/Taylor/ Matt Lio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Woz said: Spotrac. They have his 2018 salary as guaranteed. Lets take this convo back into the McClain thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: Lets take this convo back into the McClain thread. *whips out his new Moderator magic* Oksy doksy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: I haven't figured that out yet myself. Woz? You need to highlight the section you want to quote and then click the "Quote This" floating button. Repeat for each section you want to break up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: So according to overthecap, if we were to cut McClain now, he'd actually save us $234,375 against the cap this year, but would still count $3.5 mil against the cap (he's counting $3,734,375 against the cap now for 2017). https://overthecap.com/player/terrell-mcclain/1687 Year Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number % Of Cap Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade Prorated Roster Workout Other Total $14,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,500,000 $0 $0 $20,984,375 2017 $2,250,000 $2,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,734,375 2.2% $3,500,000 $234,375 2018 $3,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $4,750,000 2.7% $1,250,000 $3,500,000 2019 $4,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $5,750,000 3.0% $1,250,000 $4,500,000 2020 $5,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $6,750,000 3.4% $1,250,000 $5,500,000 HOLY CRAP YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE OVERTHECAP CHARTS ON THE FORUM NOW That, however, is pretty damn cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Maybe McClain can be an off the bench guy which is fine . I don't know why the refskins are not starting Allen at all heck I've come to the conclusion that Ryan Anderson should start and Preston smith should be off the bench . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Typical NT play 1 tech. Typical 5-tech plays 3-4 DE. Typical 3 tech plays pass rushing 4-3 DT. We signed a 4-3 DT to play in our 3-4 Defense. Depends on what 3-4 we are running. We run a hybrid/one-gap 3-4 like Wade Phillips developed in Denver/Buffalo in the 80s & 90s and used in Dallas, Houston, Denver and now for the LA Rams. 1-tech is a NT but they one gap, it's used in the 4-3 and in our version of the 3-4 D. In the "okie" 3-4, all 3 of the DL two-gap, you have two 5-tech DEs & a NT who plays as a zero-tech right over the center. In our defense we have one two gapping DE when we are in the 3-4 look and that's generally a guy who's taller and has long arms. In 2015 it was Hatcher, last year it was RJF & now it's McGee. Then we have a 1-tech NT which is going to be Phil Taylor and what Hood played last year. McCalin played this position for Dallas almost every time he was in the field last year for Dallas. Then, we have a 3-tech, AKA Baker's old position, that's the position that it seems McClain, Hood and Ioannidis are mostly playing but Hood has played some NT and Ioannidis has been moved around also especially in nickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6618/terrell-mcclain Rotoworld has $10.5 mil guaranteed money. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/terrell-mcclain-7784/ Spotrac also has $10.5 mil guaranteed. https://overthecap.com/player/terrell-mcclain/1687 So does Overthecap. His 2017 salary is guaranteed, which is $2.25 mil, which per both sites is guaranteed. His signing bonus of $5.0 mil, which is prorated over 4 years is guaranteed by definition. That leaves $3.25 mil left of guaranteed, which is his salary in 2018. Makes sense that it is likely the remaining guaranteed money, so you're probably right @Woz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, Dashing202 said: Maybe McClain can be an off the bench guy which is fine. That's an incredibly expensive bench guy. Wouldn't it make more sense to give a guy who is cheaper but may have more upside the roster spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, MKnight82 said: so you're always right @Woz FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, Woz said: That's an incredibly expensive bench guy. Wouldn't it make more sense to give a guy who is cheaper but may have more upside the roster spot? I agree with you I wouldn't be mad if we released him . But you know it is preseason let's give it some time to see how he performs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, Dashing202 said: I agree with you I wouldn't be mad if we released him . But you know it is preseason let's give it some time to see how he performs . Kind of running out of time on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, Woz said: Spotrac. They have his 2018 salary as guaranteed. If you look at the overall breakdown on OTC, you'll see they mention that McClain got $10.5M in total guarantees, but they only show the 2017 salary and signing bonus. That would make for $3.25M short ... or his 2018 salary. Overthe cap is showing that we can still pro rate his signing bonus even after cutting him though. Is that legit? That is why it is showing the dead cap only being $3.5 mil for 2017, and $1.25 mil for 2018-2020. Year Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number % Of Cap Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade Prorated Roster Workout Other Total $14,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,500,000 $0 $0 $20,984,375 2017 $2,250,000 $2,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,734,375 2.2% $3,500,000 $234,375 2018 $3,250,000 $1,250,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $4,750,000 2.7% $1,250,000 $3,500,000 2019 $4,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $5,750,000 3.0% $1,250,000 $4,500,000 2020 $5,000,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $6,750,000 3.4% $1,250,000 $5,500,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I always thought any prorated SB money was due immediately when a player is cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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