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[Chali21]

I agree that it would behoove the Raiders to draft a WR fairly early. I’m in the camp that Brown has a few more dominant years but you also take an elite player if he’s there.  

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22 hours ago, OG_C2X said:

Really... Really?!?!?!? I swear some of you dont think with your brain. Traded for AB and signed him to a big extension hes 31 he has 4 year minimum being a top tier WR. Signed Tyrell Williams to a top #2 WR contract and is 26. We Drafted Renefrow.

I don't know what early is but we wont be picking one in the first. We dont have a second and we aren't picking one in the third unless someome we love free falls. 

People had raiders targetting WR this year early and i laughed at them. We are set at WR for the next 3 years at least. 

Are you back with the team again as you're sounding very 'YES' man as of late. LOL Tom is that you?!? Cable worked for the team before too and broke down film.. Maybe 'Commit' left out the coaching details from the past...   Bazinga...

[roi34]

On 6/14/2019 at 8:41 AM, Chali21 said:

I agree that it would behoove the Raiders to draft a WR fairly early. I’m in the camp that Brown has a few more dominant years but you also take an elite player if he’s there.  

They will. Just not next season. I think 2021 they take we earlier on. But with AB and Tyrell they won't draft a wr early Next year. Not with need to help line and lb core.

[drfrey13]

2 hours ago, roi34 said:

They will. Just not next season. I think 2021 they take we earlier on. But with AB and Tyrell they won't draft a wr early Next year. Not with need to help line and lb core.

This team does not draft LBs very early.  Since 1995 we have draftrd 4 LBs in the first 3 rounds and 5 if you count Mack which I do not.  Napoleon Harris 2002 (1st), Kirk Morrison 2005 (3rd), Thomas Howard 2006 (2nd), and Sio Moore 2013 (3rd).  4 LBs in almost 80 selections over the past 25 drafts.  We draft a lot of late round LBs though.  We have the same amount of Ks taken in the first during this time span as we have LBs taken in the first.

Edited June 15, 2019 by drfrey13

[NightTrainLane]

39 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

This team does not draft LBs very early.  Since 1995 we have draftrd 4 LBs in the first 3 rounds and 5 if you count Mack which I do not.  Napoleon Harris 2002 (1st), Kirk Morrison 2005 (3rd), Thomas Howard 2006 (2nd), and Sio Moore 2013 (3rd).  4 LBs in almost 80 selections over the past 25 drafts.  We draft a lot of late round LBs though.  We have the same amount of Ks taken in the first during this time span as we have LBs taken in the first.

And how many of these drafts did Mayock run?

Now I'm not saying we will or won't because it's impossible to know our needs before this year plays out and FA next year but the teams past draft history means very little when we have a new front office.

Now if some of those late round guys step up and negate the need to bring in a blue chipper than that would qualify as the "very little impact" that our past draft history would have.

[drfrey13]

48 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

And how many of these drafts did Mayock run?

Now I'm not saying we will or won't because it's impossible to know our needs before this year plays out and FA next year but the teams past draft history means very little when we have a new front office.

Now if some of those late round guys step up and negate the need to bring in a blue chipper than that would qualify as the "very little impact" that our past draft history would have.

What were our top needs this Draft?  LBer was one of the top three.  They ignored it and brought in Coney as a UDFA.  We have the second coming of Moeaki at TE already and we still used a 4th on another TE.  Not saying they will never draft a LBer but this team does not draft LBers very often.  Grudens first stint here we drafted 3 5th round LBs and Guenther had 2 3rd round LBs selected during his time with Cinci as a DC but his system is more reliant on the front four.  Look I have been pounding the table for this team to draft some serious talent at LB for a few years so I would love to be wrong on this but nothing points to us changing course on this matter.  I personally would have taken White over Ferrell this year.  We have aging players that use to be good and young unproven guys.  If we found a couple diamonds in the rough then great because they are cheap and we did not have to use any high end draft capital on them but having this approach does not work as much as I would like.

[NightTrainLane]

17 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

What were our top needs this Draft?  LBer was one of the top three. 

Like I said before the history doesn't matter when we have a new front office with no history. One season doesn't create a pattern or inform on a future picks reliably. This year we had a choice between adding a blue chip LB and a Blue chip pass rusher. The pass rush was our #1 glaring need. If you look at the draft board and our 4 relatively high picks there aren't any other backers that fit the bill. Easy call.

 

 

[raidr4life]

1 hour ago, drfrey13 said:

What were our top needs this Draft?  LBer was one of the top three.  They ignored it and brought in Coney as a UDFA.  We have the second coming of Moeaki at TE already and we still used a 4th on another TE.  Not saying they will never draft a LBer but this team does not draft LBers very often.  Grudens first stint here we drafted 3 5th round LBs and Guenther had 2 3rd round LBs selected during his time with Cinci as a DC but his system is more reliant on the front four.  Look I have been pounding the table for this team to draft some serious talent at LB for a few years so I would love to be wrong on this but nothing points to us changing course on this matter.  I personally would have taken White over Ferrell this year.  We have aging players that use to be good and young unproven guys.  If we found a couple diamonds in the rough then great because they are cheap and we did not have to use any high end draft capital on them but having this approach does not work as much as I would like.

Sorry but there were only 2 LB's worth drafting in the first round the rest probably aren't beating out our young guys who have shown flashes here and there and pass rush was a bigger need. You might think White is the better player, but the team liked Ferrell, I don't know what you think White would do for the defense with a DL lacking talent, plus I happen to think he was the 2nd best LB drafted in the first round, Bush will probably have the better career. I doubt Mayock will avoid taking a LB if he thinks it's what we need, our 2 first round picks next year could very well be LB and WR depending how the season plays out.

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Need to add a C/G to develop behind Hudson with one of our 3rds.

[drfrey13]

11 hours ago, NightTrainLane said:

Like I said before the history doesn't matter when we have a new front office with no history. One season doesn't create a pattern or inform on a future picks reliably. This year we had a choice between adding a blue chip LB and a Blue chip pass rusher. The pass rush was our #1 glaring need. If you look at the draft board and our 4 relatively high picks there aren't any other backers that fit the bill. Easy call.

 

 

Good point you win.

[drfrey13]

10 hours ago, raidr4life said:

Sorry but there were only 2 LB's worth drafting in the first round the rest probably aren't beating out our young guys who have shown flashes here and there and pass rush was a bigger need. You might think White is the better player, but the team liked Ferrell, I don't know what you think White would do for the defense with a DL lacking talent, plus I happen to think he was the 2nd best LB drafted in the first round, Bush will probably have the better career. I doubt Mayock will avoid taking a LB if he thinks it's what we need, our 2 first round picks next year could very well be LB and WR depending how the season plays out.

Good point you win.

[drfrey13]

I forgot to dd that I missed Rolando McClain in my earlier posts.

[NightTrainLane]

17 hours ago, G said:

Need to add a C/G to develop behind Hudson with one of our 3rds.

I think the team likes Devey and Good as developmental guys but I agree that would seem to be a position that could use new young blood.

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[Humble_Beast]

On 6/15/2019 at 5:41 PM, G said:

Need to add a C/G to develop behind Hudson with one of our 3rds.

Gruden keeps praising Hudson, and he hasn't slowed down. Interior lineman last until their mid 30s. I see Hudson getting a new 3-4 year to wear silver and black in his mid 30s. I guess could see a mid rounder used on backup or swing interior lineman...here is my list of potential targets in 2020

• WR- AB and Tyrell should be around for awhile, but Ryan Grant and Hunter are unknowns. You would think Gruden would want to build an offense juggernaut, so another stud WR in the 1st is a strong possibility. Doss has potential but he is an UDFA. NFL is about the passing game, Gruden glory days had Rice, Brown, Joey Porter tearing it up 
• DE/Edge- Ferrell should hold down one spot as a long time starter. Hopefully Key develop into a 3rd down specialist, and Mad Max/Bell are wild cards. Could use a blue chip across from Ferrell until we don't suck rushing the passer 
• LB- Vontaze and Marshall could be stopgaps. Vontaze is a baller, but he has so many concussion. One more and his career could be done, Marshall is also a question mark? Whitehead is an okay starter. We have young depth  who I think can emerge (might be a homer)in Morrow, Lee, Cabinda, Coney. see who can step up and showcase they need to be on the field 
• G- Richie more of a stop gap. Jackson is making alot, and a Reggie guy who is coming off a down year. I could see Gruden revamping this unit next year in free agency/3rd round 
• TE- Waller and Moreau both have potential, but both unknown. Could be a need if one doesn't emerge 
• CB- really like Conely as CB1, Joyner looks to be the slot. Who is going to the step up as CB2 Worley, Nelson, or Mullens. I'm confident one of the them emerges so this position down the list
• S- if Joyner plays more slot, Joseph is in a make or break year. I like Joseph and hope he tears it up, but we did decline his option. Harris, Riley, and Richards more of depth pieces. Could be a need if Joseph walks, would be nice to have a long term stud next to our stud Rookie

so before camps, my draft position targets in 2020 draft (obviously subject to change based on camp&season)

1- WR

1- DE/EDGE

3- G

3- LB

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Humble_Beast