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[NCOUGHMAN]

19 hours ago, Jerry said:

Willie Brown comes in at number 90 on TheAthletic's top 100 NFL players of all time.

Time to add some more quotes below.

Willie Brown, Charles Woodson and then-Raiders play-by-play announcer Greg Papa were all on an elevator talking to one another when a polarizing question was posed. Who’s the best cornerback in NFL history?

“You’re looking at him,” Brown said before anyone could answer. Though he laughed, he wasn’t joking.

“My job was not catching passes,” Brown said at his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1984. “My job was to stop the receiver from catching it. If I could have played 15 or 20 years without an interception, that would have been fine. Anything beyond stopping a receiver, that’s gravy.”

“He was just constantly around the team, which was comforting for Al to have people that he could trust around when he couldn’t be there physically toward the end. But players look up to a guy that was such a great player. The defensive back position has got a little edge to it, and Willie could just keep everybody in line by looking at them. He’s not the kind of guy you talk back to. He’s not the kind of guy you disrespect. He’s the kind of guy that, if he says something to you, it’s gonna sink in just because of the presence of who he is and not only his career but the way he handles himself.” - Greg Papa

Personally don't think this is as good as the Jim Otto article.  They used Greg Papa for a lot of the quotes.  I guess he was the only one available for it.  Amy Trask said something as well, but it was pretty long.  I wish they took more time to find more people from his playing days to provide quotes for the article.  It is what it is.

Bruh ima need a cigarette you keep posting these quote porn lol. Honestly these are the characters I grew up idolizing and that why I’m a raider. 

[BackinBlack]

18 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Bruh ima need a cigarette you keep posting these quote porn lol. Honestly these are the characters I grew up idolizing and that why I’m a raider. 

Honestly, I think the players make too much these days for some of the old school mentality to come back. . . (Id rather the players make it then the owners). . but teams dont hate each other like they used too. 
Mack and Miller hosting an DE training camp together while both is the AFCW come on! That is your enemy!!
You see WRs working with other CBs in the offseason. 

Being a part of the players club of the NFL is a huge marketing opportunity, and you can see some players chasing fame rather rings. (first to mind is Odell lol)
 

[Jerry]

Champ Bailey comes in at 87.  Really irritated that he's ranked higher than Jim Otto and Willie Brown.  I just don't agree with that.

[jimkelly02]

On 7/14/2021 at 4:27 PM, BackinBlack said:

Honestly, I think the players make too much these days for some of the old school mentality to come back. . . (Id rather the players make it then the owners). . but teams dont hate each other like they used too. 
Mack and Miller hosting an DE training camp together while both is the AFCW come on! That is your enemy!!
You see WRs working with other CBs in the offseason. 

Being a part of the players club of the NFL is a huge marketing opportunity, and you can see some players chasing fame rather rings. (first to mind is Odell lol)
 

Your absolutely right!  I think players moving from Team To Team so Often.... as well as an overall drop in the toughness of the players is the reason. 

The NBA is far worse though.... it’s one of several reasons I rarely watch anymore.

[ronjon1990]

53 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

Your absolutely right!  I think players moving from Team To Team so Often.... as well as an overall drop in the toughness of the players is the reason. 

The NBA is far worse though.... it’s one of several reasons I rarely watch anymore.

Yeah. Individual "rivalries" among particular positions (usually QBs, which are so manufactured it hurts) are about all that's really left. 

Thank God college football still has some aura of old rivalries (for now). 

When we did the victory lap around Arrowhead, that actually made me happier than the win. It actually felt like we beat a rival. 

[Jerry]

Mike Haynes at 79.  No good quotes.  Didn't even talk about his career in the NFL in the article.  Turns out he wanted to be a WR in high school but played CB just to get starting reps and then went to college.  That was the whole article.  Not their best work.

[NCOUGHMAN]

Great segment I agree 10000% 

[Jerry]

Art Shell at 76 on TheAthletic's top 100.

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“He said, ‘We just took you in the third round and we’re very happy to have you as a member of the Raiders moving forward,’” Shell said. “Then he says, ‘Did you expect to get drafted this high?’ I said, ‘Yeah, I expected to get drafted higher.’”

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“I was an AFL guy because one thing the AFL was doing was giving opportunities to a lot of guys from historically Black schools,” Shell said. “I remember rooting for the Raiders and watching Jim Otto and Gene Upshaw as a rookie and The Mad Bomber (Daryle Lamonica). So, I was happy that I was going to become a Raider. My first two years, I was like an apprentice. I learned the game. I was watching, learning and trying to get better by honing my skills.”

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“And I was my own worst critic. Oh boy, I was hard on myself. I’d make a mistake and I even knew it during the game and I knew it after the game. And Ollie would tell me the next day, ‘Big Art, you played a hell of a game, man.’ I’d say, ‘No, Ollie, what about this play here and this play here?’ He’d say, ‘Big Art, you got to stop that. You played a great game. You can’t be perfect. Nobody’s perfect. You’re gonna make a mistake here and there, but you played great.’”

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Shell indeed played great as soon as he took over and would become a Pro Bowl-caliber player by 1972. He worked hard to get to that point but acknowledged that lining up alongside Upshaw, who’d held down the fort at left guard since 1967, helped.

“We formed a bond moving forward where we knew what each other were thinking,” Shell said. “During the course of the game, if the defense did something, we would change our blocking scheme because he knew what we were supposed to do. We didn’t have to say a word. We didn’t have time to say anything, but we could fall into blocking schemes and change them according to what the defense showed us at the last second. So, it was great playing with him; what a great player and a great guy.”

 

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“Big John used to like us to drive that doggone sled, man. That seven-man sled was his baby and we’d push that thing. It’d build your legs up, it’d build your stamina up and it made you strong at the end of games. We could dig down deep at the end of games and pass protect.”

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Shell sat in a meeting room in January 1989 awaiting word of his Hall of Fame selection. But first, he received different news: His father was in the hospital due to an illness. A day after learning he would be inducted as a member of the 1989 class, his father died.

Shell would’ve been devastated regardless of the timing, but it felt particularly cruel to lose his father just after learning about one of the biggest accomplishments of his life. He’d find some semblance of solace when he learned that at least his father knew about it.

“My brother said to me — because Dad was waiting to hear about the Hall of Fame, too — that when they found out that I made the Hall of Fame, they went and told him,” Shell said. “And they said he wasn’t talking much; it was like he mumbled. But they said when they told him I made the Hall of Fame, in a clear voice he just said, ‘That’s so nice.’ Just like that. That was tough.”

 

I'll end it there.  Really long article.  Really great read.  I could quote the whole damn article  Just a great read.  Definitely worth the $1.00 a month.

 

[Jerry]

Time for Ted Hendricks at #77.  Going back one from Art Shell.  

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“Most Raiders loved to party,” quarterback Ken Stabler said according to the book “Snake: The Legendary Life of Ken Stabler.” “But Ted Hendricks was a party all by himself.”

Near the start of training camp each season, Hendricks usually livened up the team on the practice fields in Santa Rosa, Calif. One year, they say he hired a woman wearing a raincoat to interrupt practice and make like Gypsy Rose Lee. Another year, Hendricks borrowed a table with a Cinzano umbrella and some lawn chairs from an Italian restaurant. He set them up on the side of the field, took a seat, and went to work on a pitcher of margaritas while his teammates did up-downs. Then there was the time he wore a black German army helmet with Raider logos on the side, mounted a roan horse, and trotted out to the practice field, holding an orange traffic cone like a lance. He dismounted at the 50 and pronounced himself ready for practice.

“Very strange human,” teammate Lyle Alzado told NFL Films, trying to keep a straight face. “Very strange.”

 

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Hendricks’ broomstick legs invited cut blocks. But he was adept at jumping over them. They say once, in an attempt to clear teammate Marv Hubbard’s cut block in practice, Hendricks kicked Hubbard in the head, earning him the nickname “Kick ‘Em in the Head Ted,” or “Kick ‘Em” for short. Hendricks was known at Miami as “The Mad Stork,” a takeoff on the Hurricanes’ ibis mascot.

Didn't know he was with the Colts.  But just pointing this out for the quote right above.

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Throughout Hendricks’ career, coaches repeatedly tried to get him to bulk up by lifting weights. He got up to 235, but he never embraced working out. He once had a personal weight rack installed in the Raiders’ workout area. At the ends of each of his dumbbells were empty cans, and the rack featured beverage holders.

He looked like he might be susceptible to injuries, but Hendricks played in 215 straight games. Sixty-one percent of those games were with the Raiders, his third team.

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“If you were a tight end, you wouldn’t want to see me over the top of you during a game,” Hendricks said. “If you were a running back, I don’t think you’d like to see me just standing there waiting to hit you.”

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At various times, he played strong-side linebacker, weakside linebacker, and rover. Davis described Hendricks’ well-rounded abilities when presenting him to the Pro Football Hall of Fame: “Ted Hendricks had every endowment, every physical one of the premier linebackers. He could attack the pocket with the greatest of them all … but he could play space with devastating efficiency, intercepting passes anywhere on the field. He was near impossible to block at the point of attack, he was one of the first who could actually dictate to the offense, and on fourth down, he could block field goals and punts and extra points like no other player in the history of the game. He was the consummate linebacker, more complete, more all-around than anyone else who played this great game. His records, as well as his play, prove it, and this 6-7 giant was guided by a killer mentality.”

 

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

Art Shell at 76 on TheAthletic's top 100.

Quotes to follow.

I'll end it there.  Really long article.  Really great read.  I could quote the whole damn article  Just a great read.  Definitely worth the $1.00 a month.

 

That OL was the greatest, if not one of the greatest, of all time. The boys were big and bad and controlled games from the first snap. They should be in the hall of fame as a unit.

[Darbsk]

15 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Great segment I agree 10000% 

They raise some good points and all have some merit and I totally agree when they say that the Raiders have not drafted well given the resources, that the Raiders have a poor roster behind the Chiefs and Chargers and haven't built the team that they should have given the massive opportunity with all the 1st rounders when compared to the likes of the Browns and the resources they had.

I agree too that Carr has had a lot of patience given to him and hasn't gotten us to the playoffs more than once and results wise it hasn't been what we'd hoped. But to place the blame on Carr as they did and say he should be changed out if we don't make the playoffs this year kind of negates or ignores all the earlier points they were making about team building or draft picks and the lack of talent in the team.

If the team building is bad and the drafts have underperformed and we don't have a playoff roster then how can you blame one player when they play to the level of the roster and miss the playoffs? How can they expect Carr to drag this bunch of rejects kicking and screaming to the playoffs if they're that bad as they suggest? Either that, or the team isn't that bad which makes their initial points wrong and Carr is holding us back and should be replaced.

Its a very mixed up and uncohesive argument though I do agree with most in isolation. I'm not a fan of getting rid of Carr unless we have a sure fire upgrade as the supporting team isn't enough to help anything other than an All Pro type QB achieve sustained success.

Build the roster, get a decent team together and if Carr then can't produce and get us into the playoffs and challenging then you know you can try and upgrade with a decent situation for a young guy to step into rather than throwing him into a dumpster fire with huge expectations and big shoes to fill.

[BackinBlack]

16 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Great segment I agree 10000% 

I agree with pretty much all they said too, the title of Video was a little misleading though, I dont really think they blasted Derek Carr, just said he has to get to the playoffs soon. Which 100% I agree, Getting rid of Derek Carr, will be Grudens last move to save himself IMO.

Them talking up our Dline was a bit strange, but we did play KC well both games on D, but we gave up 32 and 35. . . and they were talking like we shut them down lol. Not only that, but we have drafted / built our D to shut down KC. 
Chargers held them to 23 and 21, NE 26, Bills 26, Den 22, and ATL to 17. . . . But it is our D to who shut them down? holding to 32 and 35? A little weird to me.
And then they say how we are the same team that loses to a crapy team like ATL (Which is true terrible game), but ATLs D played KC way better then we ever did haha. 

End of the day, I agreed with a lot, but they talked up our D way to much IMO lol

[BackinBlack]

just too add:
KC gave up over 30, 4 times in the regular season. .  twice to us

But yes please tell me how it was our D that won that game 😆

[drfrey13]

There is something about this team that does not make sense.  I am leaning towards Gruden being the issue but it is not that clear cut.  I believe overall it is the combination of everyone in control and that is why certain players want to get out of here.  We have what it takes to be a playoff team but I do not know if the pieces come together and that includes the decision makers to stop ignoring glaring problems.

[BackinBlack]

5 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

There is something about this team that does not make sense.  I am leaning towards Gruden being the issue but it is not that clear cut.  I believe overall it is the combination of everyone in control and that is why certain players want to get out of here.  We have what it takes to be a playoff team but I do not know if the pieces come together and that includes the decision makers to stop ignoring glaring problems.

Changing a losing culture is tough.
Vets dont want to come here unless overpaid, whcih causes another set of problems. 
We used to change coaches every year. 
I like to think our Rookies come in with positive attitudes, but then they watch us fall apart down the final stretch and probably lose some faith. 
See us cut / trade our vet leaders leads to more question marks
Then some probably see experts say we reached on our picks, and more negative sentiment starts to sit in. 

AS you said, everyone is apart of it. I dislike Gruden but hopefully the continuity of him coaching will help. 
Football is a momentum sport, and momentum can last longer then just 1 game or 1 season.