wackywabbit Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Give Lamar Jackson some credit for transforming an offense and saving a season with his electric playmaking, winning 6 of 7 starts to become the youngest QB to EVER start a playoff game, exceeding the per attempt passing metrics of the pocket passer he replaced, setting records as a runner, and carrying himself with exceptional class and maturity 8 months after being asked to workout as a WR and falling all the way to the bottom of the first round. "Running QBs are all going to fail" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Bonanza23 said: Baker is the first ever rookie ever to record 27 tds for the season. The others were... uh nobody. It is the most pass friendly the league has ever been. Baker had an impressive rookie season. Barkley's was more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Barkley or Baker will win. If the Giants had their pick between having Baker and Barkley they choose Baker. Same with the other contenders. Broncos, Bills, Ravens, they would all trade their rookie for Baker. So, I don't care much about this vote, certainly overjoyed to have Baker going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Barkley or Baker will win. If the Giants had their pick between having Baker and Barkley they choose Baker. Same with the other contenders. Broncos, Bills, Ravens, they would all trade their rookie for Baker. So, I don't care much about this vote, certainly overjoyed to have Baker going forward. No one else had the choice. He was the first pick. But yes, he's clearly the most valuable piece this year and looks right now to be going forward. Barkley was clearly better at his position. They can do whatever they want with the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: No one else had the choice. He was the first pick. But yes, he's clearly the most valuable piece this year and looks right now to be going forward. Barkley was clearly better at his position. They can do whatever they want with the award. I wasn't saying anyone made a mistake, just that he does look to be the most valuable piece going forward and because of that I don't really care that much about an award. I do think it is a coin flip between Barkley and Baker at this point though. Week 17 didn't settle much. Mayfield had 3 TDs and broke the rookie TD mark but also lost and had 3 picks. Barkley had gains of 68 and 26 and broke 2000 total yards but only averaged a yard per carry on his other 15 or so carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: I wasn't saying anyone made a mistake, just that he does look to be the most valuable piece going forward and because of that I don't really care that much about an award. I do think it is a coin flip between Barkley and Baker at this point though. Week 17 didn't settle much. Mayfield had 3 TDs and broke the rookie TD mark but also lost and had 3 picks. Barkley had gains of 68 and 26 and broke 2000 total yards but only averaged a yard per carry on his other 15 or so carries. And what does that tell you about the offensive line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Barkley or Baker will win. If the Giants had their pick between having Baker and Barkley they choose Baker. Same with the other contenders. Broncos, Bills, Ravens, they would all trade their rookie for Baker. So, I don't care much about this vote, certainly overjoyed to have Baker going forward. Baker absolutely earned that 1.1 position. No question there. I still think the Giants would have taken Baker if he was there at 2, even over Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gmen said: And what does that tell you about the offensive line? So, lets give Barkley an elite offensive line and give Baker AB, Julio and Tyreek. We don't know. Barkley right now is a homerun hitter running back. Same as Gurley was year one. It was pretty much a big run or nothing. This is a passing league now so you aren't going to get an offensive line of run blockers anymore. Fortunately, defenses are built to stop the pass so you don't have a lot of specialty run stoppers on D anymore either. The Giants aren't going to build around Barkley as their centerpiece, it will be their QBOTF whoever that may be. Barkley had a great year. He did what he could to help his team with running/receiving. He earned the OROY. So did Baker though. Both were rookie phenoms, along with a few other offensive rookies. The voters are just people with their own opinions, if they line up with Barkley, so be it. If Baker, so be it. It doesn't change what either of them did. I'm cool with giving it to the Giant fans, we haven't had much to cheer about with the Browns in a long time but brighter days are ahead and we just enjoyed a season with a real football team for the first time in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Baker absolutely earned that 1.1 position. No question there. I still think the Giants would have taken Baker if he was there at 2, even over Barkley. Yeah, seems that NFL G.M.'s had Baker higher than the draft experts and most fans. Heck, Josh Allen, even though he struggles with some throws is already better than I thought he'd be. Darnold showed a lot of promise late. Barkley was what everyone expected. Lamar can run around and hit most open receivers. Rosen wasn't in a great situation but he stayed healthy. Lindsay, Ward, the Chubbs, Ridley, LVE, Leonard, Derwin etc... so far this looks like a great class. A lot of teams are happy right now with their rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 39 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Yeah, seems that NFL G.M.'s had Baker higher than the draft experts and most fans. Heck, Josh Allen, even though he struggles with some throws is already better than I thought he'd be. Darnold showed a lot of promise late. Barkley was what everyone expected. Lamar can run around and hit most open receivers. Rosen wasn't in a great situation but he stayed healthy. Lindsay, Ward, the Chubbs, Ridley, LVE, Leonard, Derwin etc... so far this looks like a great class. A lot of teams are happy right now with their rookies. Show some respect to your King in the North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: Show some respect to your King in the North Enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, minutemancl said: It is the most pass friendly the league has ever been. Baker had an impressive rookie season. Barkley's was more impressive. If you are going to use the pass friendly league argument against Baker, then you are also dinging Barkley as well. Because the only reason he has 91 catches is because its a pass friendly league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This thread is stupid tbh. Any and every Giants fan would happily trade Barkley for Baker right now, just like every Baltimore fan would gladly trade Lamar for Baker. Anyone who says they wouldn’t is clearly being obtuse and would rather argue for “their guy”. Baker is winning games and putting up top shelf numbers (with Kitchens) as a rookie and doing so a.) from the pocket in a sustainable manner and b.) at the most important position on the field by a country mile. Who wins the award? Idgaf. Who’s the best rookie? Baker, and any other argument is nothing more than mental masturbation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: This thread is stupid tbh. Any and every Giants fan would happily trade Barkley for Baker right now, just like every Baltimore fan would gladly trade Lamar for Baker. I prefer quarterbacks that carry and conduct themselves like Eli, Wilson, and Luck. I would rather keep Barkley thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: This thread is stupid tbh. Any and every Giants fan would happily trade Barkley for Baker right now, just like every Baltimore fan would gladly trade Lamar for Baker. Anyone who says they wouldn’t is clearly being obtuse and would rather argue for “their guy”. Baker is winning games and putting up top shelf numbers (with Kitchens) as a rookie and doing so a.) from the pocket in a sustainable manner and b.) at the most important position on the field by a country mile. Who wins the award? Idgaf. Who’s the best rookie? Baker, and any other argument is nothing more than mental masturbation. Way to prove your point, LGB.....by quoting "The Red Rocker" 1:03 mark.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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