gopackgo27 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fl0nkerton said: Jimmy Graham: 52 rec / 615 yards / 11.8 avg / 2 TD / 54 Long Eric Ebron: 62 rec / 690 yards / 11.1 avg / 12 TD / 53 Long Only one real difference That's a heck of a difference my friend. Jimmy had 10 TDs last year, that's where he's got to be making his impact. Dude is 6'7 270 lbs, he should be DOMINATING in the RZ. Again, think his thumb is holding him back in that department more than we know but he's gotta catch more than 2 TDs and dominate more 1-on-1 matchups at that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Golfman said: You mean the one that wins or losses game? Oh, there is also the one small detail that Ebron makes about half what Graham is being paid. That's a misrepresentation. Ebron averages $8M and Jimmy is $10M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, Golfman said: You mean the one that wins or losses game? Oh, there is also the one small detail that Ebron makes about half what Graham is being paid. You can be mad about Jimmy disappearing in the RZ all you want. It's a legit gripe, I guess. Just saying there's a bigger difference between TY Hilton and Davante in the RZ than Jimmy Graham and Ebron. Have to think Ebron is the #1 option close to the end zone for Indy. That's not really the case for Green Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Fl0nkerton said: You can be mad about Jimmy disappearing in the RZ all you want. It's a legit gripe, I guess. Just saying there's a bigger difference between TY Hilton and Davante in the RZ than Jimmy Graham and Ebron. Have to think Ebron is the #1 option close to the end zone for Indy. That's not really the case for Green Bay. Fair point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, Dubz41 said: That's a misrepresentation. Ebron averages $8M and Jimmy is $10M. And Jimmy Graham was coming off a 10 TD season when Ebron had 11 touchdowns in 4 seasons. Don't expect some people to get that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dubz41 said: That's a misrepresentation. Ebron averages $8M and Jimmy is $10M. Ebron got a 2 year deal with a max payout of 13.5, or 6.75 per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpdaly23 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 In Graham’s defense, Rodgers hasn’t thrown him a good ball on any of his 1v1 box out chances all season. Gotta roll with him next year- draft a TE early, and groom the rookie for 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 53 minutes ago, YaddaHolla said: Tonyan could’ve done what Graham did this season had he had the opportunities, at a fraction of the cost. lol can I sig this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Golfman said: Ebron got a 2 year deal with a max payout of 13.5, or 6.75 per year. No. I was off by $1M over two years: Colts Sign Former Lions First-Round Pick Eric Ebron. The deal is reportedly for two years and $15 million. The Colts have signed former Lions tight end Eric Ebron, the team announced Monday. The deal is for two years and up to $15 million, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.Mar 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo27 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Cpdaly23 said: In Graham’s defense, Rodgers hasn’t thrown him a good ball on any of his 1v1 box out chances all season. Gotta roll with him next year- draft a TE early, and groom the rookie for 2020. Not wrong, Rodgers hasn't been sharp in that department. Agreed on 2nd part, especially considering how strong this rookie TE class looks on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Graham has had a TD called back on a penalty, got taken down at the one inch line, and drew a PI in the endzone. If those 3 plays were TDs are we having this conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Dubz41 said: No. I was off by $1M over two years: Colts Sign Former Lions First-Round Pick Eric Ebron. The deal is reportedly for two years and $15 million. The Colts have signed former Lions tight end Eric Ebron, the team announced Monday. The deal is for two years and up to $15 million, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.Mar 19, 2018 According to 'over the cap', he's making 6.75 in 2018 and 2019. Not sure what source is correct. Ebron is what, 27 now? I'm not trying to go hindsight as I wouldn't have touched him in the off season. I didn't want Graham in the off season either. I want the position addressed in the draft. If that means Graham comes back for another year, so be it. I think his productivity will go down next year being a year older with our WR's a year more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, wgbeethree said: Graham has had a TD called back on a penalty, got taken down at the one inch line, and drew a PI in the endzone. If those 3 plays were TDs are we having this conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jleisher Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Cost in free agency is a supply and demand thing. It's why pass rushers get overpaid every single time. There aren't a lot of pass rushers available in this league, so the demand is through the roof, which brings up the price. Jimmy Graham, on paper, was the best tight end available. Burton was a 4 year pro without much production at all. Ebron had a bust label. Jimmy Graham had a Hall of Fame resume and came off a 10 TD season. The price we paid for Graham falls perfectly in line with the supply and demand of tight ends in last year's free agency. As far as going forward, we have to stick to what we did. Therefore, releasing Graham and losing his production to save 5 million dollars is not worth it because: A. Graham's value compared to 5 million in savings is worth keeping. B. We aren't getting better production at TE for 5 million dollars. Ebron was voted into the Pro Bowl, right? I understand your explanation, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jleisher Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cpdaly23 said: In Graham’s defense, Rodgers hasn’t thrown him a good ball on any of his 1v1 box out chances all season. Gotta roll with him next year- draft a TE early, and groom the rookie for 2020. Agreed, but I would add a young TE free agent like Jesse James of the Steelers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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