big_palooka Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Darbsk said: There is reasoning behind getting a is of all the Gruden era holdovers and just purge the FO and start over. This is where I am at. I think you need to wash your hands of the Gruden era entirely and start fresh. Do you want Mayock picking the next coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, big_palooka said: This is where I am at. I think you need to wash your hands of the Gruden era entirely and start fresh. Do you want Mayock picking the next coach? This is the issue isn't it? We simply don't know what Mayock knows really and who his contacts may be. Mark has used sounding boards like Madden in the past but we absolutely need to get this hire right. We need someone who sets a standard, instills integrity and leads from the front. The correct way I think is to get your GM in place and let him conduct the search with input from Mark. I like Mayock but don't feel he's experienced enough to conduct the search as thoroughly as necessary probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Darbsk said: This is the issue isn't it? We simply don't know what Mayock knows really and who his contacts may be. Mark has used sounding boards like Madden in the past but we absolutely need to get this hire right. We need someone who sets a standard, instills integrity and leads from the front. The correct way I think is to get your GM in place and let him conduct the search with input from Mark. I like Mayock but don't feel he's experienced enough to conduct the search as thoroughly as necessary probably. This worries me as Davis allowed that with McKenzie who hired Allen. He hated Allen and opted to pick his own coaches in JDR and Gruden. Davis comes off as a rube who I don't see hiring a bright up and coming GM to run his organization. He feels more like a guy who will either stick with Mayock because Gruden liked him. Or hire someone else endorsed by someone he talks to. We can rest assured knowing that we will not be overly excited about what happens in this search is my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Would love to see what Mayock could do as a GM without Gruden handcuffing him. Mayock could surprise, or give him the job as head scout if he'd accept that position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Roninho said: I dont think giving him 1 year would work. It is very unlikely that we can truly evaluate within a year if a draftworked out well. Unless they flat out suck of course. Also, if you only give him short term we will also likely not attract a top coach. I would like to give mayock a fairshot but believe itsbetter for us to startall over well i didnt mean a year.. just mean let him have this draft and go feom there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, big_palooka said: This is where I am at. I think you need to wash your hands of the Gruden era entirely and start fresh. Do you want Mayock picking the next coach? I would. When it comes down to it we don’t know who did what 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: I would. When it comes down to it we don’t know who did what Not to defend Antonio Brown, as he's proven many times over how he is, but his spat with Mayock comes to mind again for me. Did he say something off? Why was he in that sort of argument with a player in the first place? Either way, that alone hardly screams GM of a professional football franchise to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Not to defend Antonio Brown, as he's proven many times over how he is, but his spat with Mayock comes to mind again for me. Did he say something off? Why was he in that sort of argument with a player in the first place? Either way, that alone hardly screams GM of a professional football franchise to me. The way I look at it is what would make Antonio Brown think that he could spit on a GM unless he thought he was on the GM’s level. That’s key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: The way I look at it is what would make Antonio Brown think that he could spit on a GM unless he thought he was on the GM’s level. That’s key Brown is a headcase. dude streamed postgame live in steelers lockerroom without permission. he doesnt respect anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Not to defend Antonio Brown, as he's proven many times over how he is, but his spat with Mayock comes to mind again for me. Did he say something off? Why was he in that sort of argument with a player in the first place? Either way, that alone hardly screams GM of a professional football franchise to me. I disagree, I thought Mayock handled it very professionally and didn't yield to the player throwing his toys out the pram. That could have escalated really quickly with Brown looking for any angle to create trouble and he dealt with it well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, Darbsk said: I disagree, I thought Mayock handled it very professionally and didn't yield to the player throwing his toys out the pram. That could have escalated really quickly with Brown looking for any angle to create trouble and he dealt with it well. That's kind of where I'm at. I feel like he's handled the entire situation professionally. I feel like he deserves a shot on that alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Not to defend Antonio Brown, as he's proven many times over how he is, but his spat with Mayock comes to mind again for me. Did he say something off? Why was he in that sort of argument with a player in the first place? Either way, that alone hardly screams GM of a professional football franchise to me. Are you suggesting Mayock got spit on and it was his fault? Spitting on someone is despicable. Brown should have gotten his *** kicked for doing it. I believe he also called Mayock a cracker. That's a racial slur and the NFL didn't do a thing to him. NFL double standard. Absolute BS. Edited October 13, 2021 by SBXISBXVSBXVIII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Are you suggesting Mayock got spit on and it was his fault? Spitting on someone is despicable. Brown should have gotten his *** kicked for doing it. I believe he also called Mayock a cracker. That's a racial slur and the NFL didn't do a thing to him. NFL double standard. Absolute BS. Is it not fair to wonder what the heck actually went on leading up to it? I was pretty clear that I wasn't defending Antonio Brown. Nor would I. I've said many times I think Antonio Brown is a trash human being. I merely pointed out that the whole situation, from the shameless @$$ kissing to the almost @$$ kicking showed me he doesn't have the material it requires to be an effective GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Are you suggesting Mayock got spit on and it was his fault? Spitting on someone is despicable. Brown should have gotten his *** kicked for doing it. I believe he also called Mayock a cracker. That's a racial slur and the NFL didn't do a thing to him. NFL double standard. Absolute BS. I am happy Gruden is gone but at the same time him being the only person targeted so far when it was the WFT being investigated and AB not being forced out of the league for what he has done makes the league hypocrites in my eyes. It is not the first time and it will not be the last time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: The way I look at it is what would make Antonio Brown think that he could spit on a GM unless he thought he was on the GM’s level. That’s key He showed up and made a circus of the Raiders then spit on the GM. He was lucky another player didn't punch him in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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