drfrey13 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Keeping Mayock would be a disaster imo. To many mistakes in the draft right or wrong. We can blame Gruden, but Mayock was in those rooms making these pick. Either he had no backbone to stand up against Gruden or he was in agreance and either way, I don't want to risk any more picks with his fingers on them. Look at it this way. If you fire Mayock, does he get another GM job in the NFL? Hell no! So why be the team that employs a guy nobody else would even look at for a job on their staff? I would not say he has no backbone. Mark Davis already came out and said Gruden had final say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 getting harder and harder to defend this guy. 2020 has to go down as the worst draft EVER. 4 out of your first 5 picks dont make it to the second half of year 2? 2 never playing a snap? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Styrian Raider said: Who would you guys hire as GM, if Mayock gets fired? We just need to bring in someone to replace him in case he starts pounding the table for every Bama and Clemson player available. If he starts doing that again then we swipe him out real quick with someone that actually watches other teams play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I'd still like to see what Mayock does post Gruden. Color me optimistic, but I think this draft will be the test. He needs to nail it. But I think it's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, Totty said: I'd still like to see what Mayock does post Gruden. Color me optimistic, but I think this draft will be the test. He needs to nail it. But I think it's fair. its going to come down to how we finish, if we make the playoff through all the BS, i think everyone should be brought back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I say he absolutely deserves this year. Yes 2020 sucked, but some of that was out of his control. 2019 and 2021 look good. 2022 can be the deciding year. Let's not act like the roster doesn't look good. If it wasn't for Ruggs, we'd have very few holes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLO Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 hours ago, big_palooka said: I think it's a moot point, because Davis will hire the first guy with Raider ties he come across, but some names I like: Kwesi Adofo-Mensah - Browns VP of Ops. He's got an innovative mind and is forward thinking. He's more of a "new school," analytics driven type. Brad Holmes - Rams. Anyone off the Rams win at all costs staff would be interesting to me. Prepare yourself for general manager Marcel Reece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I say he absolutely deserves this year. Yes 2020 sucked, but some of that was out of his control. 2019 and 2021 look good. 2022 can be the deciding year. Let's not act like the roster doesn't look good. If it wasn't for Ruggs, we'd have very few holes. Ehh. The offensive line is still very questionable and our defensive turn around is purely on Gus Bradley bringing in his guys. We've literally had random players like Square and that CB #35 making plays straight off the couch because they were Gus' guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 hours ago, TLO said: Prepare yourself for general manager Marcel Reece. It's funny because it's probably not far off. Davis has to be the least connected owner in the league to make a GM hire. He'll probably stick with Mayock because he has has no other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 The main reason why I think Mayock has to be fired is the public image. We just can't stick with a GM who is responsible for the worst draft class in history. (Even thow he had not the final decission on the draft picks) The question is what kind of GM do we need? How good are our coaches in terms of talent evaluation? Gus Bradley for example seems to know very well which kind of players he need for his scheme. If you look at the outcome of our defense right now. On the other hand it was said, that Alex Leatherwood was a Tom Cable Guy. Maybe he saw something in him, that he think is unteachable and develops him to that player we would need at RT. But if not I would say you can't rely on the talent evaluation skills of Tom Cable. So do we have the coaches with the "eye for talent" or not? If we have this skills in the coaching stuff we really would "only" need a guy that has a feeling for the Draft and pretty knows what the others would really do in the draft. (That's what i would've expected from Mayock to be honest) If not then we need more like a high football IQ kind of guy who's able to evaluate the weaknesses and finds the talents to fill the needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: It's funny because it's probably not far off. Davis has to be the least connected owner in the league to make a GM hire. He'll probably stick with Mayock because he has has no other options. I hope not. If the team crumbles Mayock needs to be let go. And despite Mark's lack of connections we're still a pretty great destination for a GM that's seeking full control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I hope not. If the team crumbles Mayock needs to be let go. And despite Mark's lack of connections we're still a pretty great destination for a GM that's seeking full control. This whole Vegas location thing might not be as attractive after all. Watching that hunter interview and he said pre draft him and his girl didn’t have Oakland/Vegas on their list of destinations it’s not really their style but he’s happy he got drafted. I don’t think I’d ever want to live in Vegas. Visit and party sure but live there naw. I remember rookie year josh was hosting parties with fat boy Trent and I was thinking this isn’t gonna end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: This whole Vegas location thing might not be as attractive after all. Watching that hunter interview and he said pre draft him and his girl didn’t have Oakland/Vegas on their list of destinations it’s not really their style but he’s happy he got drafted. I don’t think I’d ever want to live in Vegas. Visit and party sure but live there naw. I remember rookie year josh was hosting parties with fat boy Trent and I was thinking this isn’t gonna end well. You can party anywhere in the country. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 3 years and I can tell you first hand that if you want to get into trouble or party there you can. To even suggest that the Ruggs incident or Arnete were due to them being in Vegas is ignorant. Having spent a lot of time in Oakland and Vegas, I can tell you first hand it's probably easier to get yourself into trouble, especially with guns in Oakland. The appeal of Las Vegas is that it's the fastest growing major urban area in the country. In addition to our brand new state of the art stadium/training facility. Not to mention the fact that Nevada doesn't have any state income taxes so Carr actually earned $2M more living/playing in Las Vegas then he would have just due to having to pay less taxes on his salary. Are Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Phoenix, etc really destination cities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: This whole Vegas location thing might not be as attractive after all. Watching that hunter interview and he said pre draft him and his girl didn’t have Oakland/Vegas on their list of destinations it’s not really their style but he’s happy he got drafted. I don’t think I’d ever want to live in Vegas. Visit and party sure but live there naw. I remember rookie year josh was hosting parties with fat boy Trent and I was thinking this isn’t gonna end well. I tend to agree. I love blackjack and will sit at a table for 10+ hours if left to my own devices. And I'm social enough to enjoy the various shows. But the Vegas lifestyle....nah, that's a once in a while vacation. I lived in Biloxi for a bit, where everything was casino oriented, and it got ooooold real quick. Saw a lot of people spiral in the 24/7 party scene that was available there....and Vegas is 100x busier. I feel similarly about NYC. I'm not a fan. I lived in London, which is bigger, and loved it. Some cities just have that "thing" about them- like a Paris-esque draw that either attracts someone beyond reason or totally turns them off. I'm sure Vegas is attractive from a financial aspect. But heck, I could easily transfer to NYC with my current job and make almost double and still refuse to entertain it. It's just not worth it to me all things considered. My guess is there's more than a few GM types out there that see Vegas more as a trap than a dream job. Still, that's just how we feel. I guarantee plenty of people see Vegas as virtually untapped potential. It's going to appeal to someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: You can party anywhere in the country. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 3 years and I can tell you first hand that if you want to get into trouble or party there you can. To even suggest that the Ruggs incident or Arnete were due to them being in Vegas is ignorant. Having spent a lot of time in Oakland and Vegas, I can tell you first hand it's probably easier to get yourself into trouble, especially with guns in Oakland. The appeal of Las Vegas is that it's the fastest growing major urban area in the country. In addition to our brand new state of the art stadium/training facility. Not to mention the fact that Nevada doesn't have any state income taxes so Carr actually earned $2M more living/playing in Las Vegas then he would have just due to having to pay less taxes on his salary. Are Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Phoenix, etc really destination cities? I agree about out cities like Miami, la, etc. Depends on your personality honestly. Hunter will be hunter no matter if he lives next door to a casino or not. Some players especially rookies don’t have that self control and places like Vegas I think can tempt a player into a life they’ve never experienced. Mix in a large amount of money and it’s a potential disaster. why do you think hunter didn’t have Oakland/Vegas on his list of destinations? I mean like you said brand new stadium tax free etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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