VikeManDan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Worm Guts said: I'd rather have him delegate tasks that he's not so strong at. If him calling defensive plays is part of their success, then he should do that. If he needs help in other area, maybe hire an assistant head coach who can handle some of those duties. I don’t disagree with what you’ve outlined. Delegation is a fine possibility. I know Zim has an impact on the D but they did let us down giving up that 9 minute drive against the Bears and have let us down in other crucial times as well. Replay specialist Time management specialist If we don’t have these positions we should to help Zimmer out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 hours ago, vikingsrule said: So Elflein ended up being the worst graded starting Center by PFF. Odd that he's rarely talked about as needing to be replaced yet Compton and Remmers need to go. On a positive note, Anthony Harris had a great grade, top 3 Safety for what it's worth. I have stated on this board, probably the offensive line thread, that the Vikings should not be counting on Elflein to start at center next year. That opinion is owing directly to the level of play the team got out of Elflein this year. I understand the reason for optimism that Elflein may play better next year and I agree that there are reasons to be optimistic. However, the team should have another A-plan. If Elflein beats that A-plan out it is even better. I stated that I would be looking to sign Easton as the starting center, but someone mentioned that Easton's health status might not make that a viable A-plan. I have no reason to doubt that so assuming it is true they need to find someone else. Matt Paradis may be the guy. It is going to be extremely hard to find starters for all three interior line positions before the draft. That is the corner Spielman put himself in though; giving him another chance at all should be contingent on solving that riddle. If he doesn't have viable men in place before the draft I will be calling for his head at the conclusion of the draft even if he gets two potential starters in the draft. Going into the draft having a need that glaring so as to almost force a need based pick isn't going to help the team in the draft. It should not be done. If he does that he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDakViking Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I would love to get someone with C/OG flexibility to potentially just start our best 3 IOL even if that includes sliding Elflein to Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NoDakViking said: I would love to get someone with C/OG flexibility to potentially just start our best 3 IOL even if that includes sliding Elflein to Guard Risner likely fits that mold. RT, G, or C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Good Lord! That's a BIG #! How high's the Barr? Does he think he should be $16-18M a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, ArcticNorseman said: Good Lord! That's a BIG #! How high's the Barr? Does he think he should be $16-18M a year? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 hours ago, ArcticNorseman said: Good Lord! That's a BIG #! How high's the Barr? Does he think he should be $16-18M a year? I’m sure. Wants to be paid as a pass rusher/off the ball linebacker. some guys from Over The Cap are estimating $10-12M i just don’t see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikestyle Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 36 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: I’m sure. Wants to be paid as a pass rusher/off the ball linebacker. some guys from Over The Cap are estimating $10-12M i just don’t see it As a 4-3 outside backer, that's probably a fair range. However, I think he wants to rush the passer more, and I think a team will pay him to try to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, vikestyle said: As a 4-3 outside backer, that's probably a fair range. However, I think he wants to rush the passer more, and I think a team will pay him to try to do that. Then... bye-bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikestyle Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, RpMc said: Then... bye-bye. Absolutely. If a 3-4 team wants to pay him $16 million a year to try to be a lead pass rusher than that's fine. I'd actually like to see how he looks in that role. He seems like a guy that's probably gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDakViking Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 12 hours ago, ArcticNorseman said: Good Lord! That's a BIG #! How high's the Barr? Does he think he should be $16-18M a year? Did he say this is what he's expecting somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, NoDakViking said: Did he say this is what he's expecting somewhere? No . . . I was asking what the tag rate was for OLB's, especially since Mack's # moved the value up. Sounds like the tag would be north of $15M. To me, $12M would probably be a fair average annual for him, but it seems like everybody's wanting that guaranteed cash. So, hypothetically, if the Vikes offered him six years, $72M with $35M guaranteed, would he be nuts to turn that down? Could the Vikes afford something like that? Given his history of needing to be motivated at times, I think he could be a bust-type if he is unhappy, so that's a concern. I'd like to see him back for the sole reason of stability and core chemistry. I think he fits well in this D, even though he's not the only star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, NoDakViking said: Did he say this is what he's expecting somewhere? I thought Barr made mention of it last training camp. He got some practice as an edge rusher if I recall correctly but wasn't ever used in that capacity during the season, even when Griffen went out. I would pay Barr nearly identical compensation to Kendricks. If he wants more, let him walk. I don't see the position he plays as significantly hard to replace. Two rookie off ball OLBs made the all pro team this year, one was a late first and the other was a late third. If we can extend Richardson under $12 million over 2-3 years and get a competent FA Guard for under $10 million id be content versus blowing $16 million on Barr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDakViking Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, vikingsrule said: I thought Barr made mention of it last training camp. He got some practice as an edge rusher if I recall correctly but wasn't ever used in that capacity during the season, even when Griffen went out. I would pay Barr nearly identical compensation to Kendricks. If he wants more, let him walk. I don't see the position he plays as significantly hard to replace. Two rookie off ball OLBs made the all pro team this year, one was a late first and the other was a late third. If we can extend Richardson under $12 million over 2-3 years and get a competent FA Guard for under $10 million id be content versus blowing $16 million on Barr. I think Kendricks is worth a little more than Barr, so I wonder if Barr will accept no less than Kendricks. What gets me with Barr is he will probably be expecting a contract in the 12-13 million AAV but has admitted he's not always motivated and that shows. Even in a contract year, he disappeared for long stretches and only really hit his high potential in the two games before the Bears, then the whole team laid an egg when it really counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 16 hours ago, NoDakViking said: I think Kendricks is worth a little more than Barr, so I wonder if Barr will accept no less than Kendricks. What gets me with Barr is he will probably be expecting a contract in the 12-13 million AAV but has admitted he's not always motivated and that shows. Even in a contract year, he disappeared for long stretches and only really hit his high potential in the two games before the Bears, then the whole team laid an egg when it really counted. I can't imagine Barr would sign for less than Kendricks seeing as he's signing at a later date in time. They could've tried to get them both to sign identical contracts but that would likely mean that Hunter or Diggs is the one we're worrying about right now instead of Barr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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