Cpdaly23 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChaRisMa said: Gruden has the 4th pick and apparently wants to destroy the Oakland Raiders. Who do you want at 4? Bosa won’t be there and I’m not sure anybody else is worth the price of the trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cpdaly23 said: Who do you want at 4? Bosa won’t be there and I’m not sure anybody else is worth the price of the trade... Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver or Josh Allen at this point, but not so sure you aren't correct and we sit and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Golfman said: Gotta have a dance partner. I'm not sure I'd be for that either. We need several talented players, not one but I guess it depends on free agency. Just remember the draft value chart is a 30 year old guideline, not the bible. It is relative to the class. Jimmy Johnson had a franchise QB to take. This class doesn't have that. Picks in this class are probably worth less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, pacman5252 said: Just remember the draft value chart is a 30 year old guideline, not the bible. It is relative to the class. Jimmy Johnson had a franchise QB to take. This class doesn't have that. Picks in this class are probably worth less. Value is what you can get. It's a guide, nothing more or less. Most 'experts' figured we got the best of the deal with the Saints. IMO, those trades are all TBD. If we hit on their pick this year and Alexander is what we all think, then we probably did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I'm hoping for Polite at 12. I'll also say, I could see us trading up from the NO pick. I could see us packaging our second with the extra 1/4 to get up to the high teens for a guy the team considered at 12 who fell (kind of like with Clay and us giving up 3 2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGreatZepp said: Unless it’s Julio Jones, no receiver at 12 How about Odell Beckham Jr ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: I'm hoping for Polite at 12. I'll also say, I could see us trading up from the NO pick. I could see us packaging our second with the extra 1/4 to get up to the high teens for a guy the team considered at 12 who fell (kind of like with Clay and us giving up 3 2s. Bottom line for me is we have to have land a couple of guys in free agency prior to the draft. Now that I realize I was wrong about the injury Earl Thomas had, I'd like him. I'd also like David Irving from Dalllas and another EDGE rusher. Now of Denver's or Fowler from the Rams. I'd be for getting Jesse James too depending on the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If it’s a defensive player, someone who can tackle. We already have plenty of touch-football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Clelin Farrell, josh Allen, Oliver, or polite are my early hopes at #12 if they’re available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, pacman5252 said: Just remember the draft value chart is a 30 year old guideline, not the bible. It is relative to the class. Jimmy Johnson had a franchise QB to take. This class doesn't have that. Picks in this class are probably worth less. Draft at the top is different each year. Comparing late 80's and 90's to 2018 is foolish. Hell, even since the rookie wage scale, those top 5-10 picks are more valuable in a vacuum as they cost a ton less to pay those players now vs then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaRisMa Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, pacman5252 said: Just remember the draft value chart is a 30 year old guideline, not the bible. It is relative to the class. Jimmy Johnson had a franchise QB to take. This class doesn't have that. Picks in this class are probably worth less. 30 year old guideline? It’s a done deal for Gruden then. I wouldn’t do it at this point, we have too many needs. I’d be more apt to trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakeshoppe Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 [source]: https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart Here's an evidence-based chart, built using only trades since the 2011 CBA. I know others have made similar attempts. GMs have said that they have also updated charts now that comp-picks are trade eligible. Also, early picks aren't going to follow the chart well because it has a lot more to do with who the actual players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, squire12 said: Draft at the top is different each year. Comparing late 80's and 90's to 2018 is foolish. Hell, even since the rookie wage scale, those top 5-10 picks are more valuable in a vacuum as they cost a ton less to pay those players now vs then Well I agree comparing the 80s/90s to today is foolish. That was the meaning of my post. Every year is different. Just like in fantasy, their are tiers and value is in the eye of beholder. With that said, I don't necessarily agree the picks are worth more today. For a few reasons - in particular. this class doesn't have a QB. - After the last CBA, teams have less development time. - There is so much money to go around today that teams aren't crammed like they were even 10 years ago. Look at the cap space by team https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ Detroit is 16th in cap room with 38 million. Only 6 teams have under 20m in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cakeshoppe said: [source]: https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart Here's an evidence-based chart, built using only trades since the 2011 CBA. I know others have made similar attempts. GMs have said that they have also updated charts now that comp-picks are trade eligible. Also, early picks aren't going to follow the chart well because it has a lot more to do with who the actual players are. I think this looks more accurate (better than the JJ one). It is still just a guideline, since ever draft is different, but a better guideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, hitnhope said: Hope one of the top edge players fall. Don't know if there is a safety or OT worth the 12th pick. Maybe we take one of these with the Saints' pick later in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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