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3 hours ago, dtait93 said:

How would you guys grade our offseason so far?

I think it’s easily an A. We’ve addressed backup QB for very little once you look at the details of the trade and Tanny is one of, if not the best backup QB in the league. We locked up Vacarro at an extremely reasonable price to bring back the best safety duo in the league. The Saffold signing solidifies the left side of the line. We outbid New England for Humphries services and for one of the best slot receivers in the game I think his contract is fair and his sure hands are something we desperately needed. The Wake signing is the only move I’m pretty meh on, maybe he proves me wrong though. Pamphile and Tye Smith have proven to be good depth. Cutting Kline may very well be addition by subtraction considering how bad he played last year and the contract he was on...we still need a body there though so it’ll be interesting to see how Robinson replaces him. Thoughts?

Biggest needs left are interior o-line and d-line, which is good I guess since apparently this draft class is deep there, followed by WR and an edge rusher.

If the Saffold and Wake signings are front loaded so that the Titans can get out of them when they need to, I'd agree with the A rating.  They're still pretty good signings otherwise, but the Titans are going to need to pay out Mariota and Byard soon, so they can't afford a ton of dead money in the next few years or they'll be in cap hell.  If that's not a concern, I love it.

Humphries I didn't like, but the more I think about it, the more I do.  One thing the Titans have consistently failed to do to protect Mariota is to have better bailout options for the ball, so he holds it too long.  When another team has an effective pass rush, there's no answer, no quick play to keep them honest, and that is not acceptable.  Humphries ought to give them better options there.

The Tannehill trade was fantastic, of course.  You can't get a quality backup QB in the fourth round, most of the time.  Much less one of Tannehill's level, and they're paying next to nothing.  Vacarro was also fantastic.  They essentially paid for him by cutting Cyprien, and he was a big improvement there.

They still need a starter at guard, a starter at DE, and a rotational starter as a pass rusher.  If they go, for instance, Christian Wilkins, Jaylon Ferguson, and Connor McGovern in the first three rounds, they'll be pretty set there, and will have addressed every need the team had.

So, if dead money results from Wake and Saffold, I say a solid B+ still.  Without that, easy A.

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I give this offseason a B+. Vacarro staying here is big especially at that price. Humphries is a good player and I think he helps us out a lot. Saffold is huge for us. Tannehill is a great pick up for the price we got him at. No complaints with any of those signings. Wake is the only one I have an issue with. Wake is a great player and I'm happy to have him here but He's older then Orakpo and Morgan and I don't know that he's gonna be any better than them if he's forced to start and play the majority of the defensive snaps for us. I thought we where going into the off season looking to get younger at pass rusher? I would just have an uneasy feeling if we go into the season with Laundry, Wake, Correa, Finch and a rookie as our rotation. I don't feel like that's any better then Laundry, Orakpo, Morgan, Correa and Finch.

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This has been a productive off-season.

If we draft like we hit free agency...we might be, dare I say it????  A real good team?  Not an ok team, but a GOOD team.
Well coached.
Well ran.
Strong(er) offensive line.
Stronger QB position.
Determined Derrick Henry.
More reliable pass options.
Solid/good defensive backfield.
Strong Linebackers (Brown, Evans, Woodyard).

Not too bad.

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9 minutes ago, ragevsuall17 said:

Tannehill nor Vaccaro's exact numbers are out (odd about Vaccaro since that signing happened before the start of FA)... but as long as Schefter's contract details re: Tannehill are correct, we should have about 24M in cap space left at this point.

Thanks Capologist Rage. 👍🏾

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Teams 3 biggest needs before FA? Pass-Rusher, IOL, and WR. Teams top 3 needs after at this point? Pass-rusher, IOL, and WR. Humphries is a solid get but also a very limited player in the slot. Still need someone opposite of Davis who can stretch the field. Wake is kind of meh to me. Solid vet but at 37 and likely just here for a season as a specialist, not really a big fan of this signing. Saffold was easily the best signing. Top 10 OG in the league and played like a top 5 OG last season. If he can continue that play and we add another solid player at RG, this OL will be pretty damn good if they adjust rather quickly. Vaccaro resigning is big because he was damn good last year and the defense played better when he was on the field. Not to mention some of the other contracts these other safeties got, I’d say he’s a major steal. The Tannehill trade is meh. When Mariota gets hurt again, it means we’ll finish with an average record and further from a top pick to land a true franchise QB. Basically brought in a Mariota clone. A very average injury prone QB. I’d give the FA a B-

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The following are cap savings we can still acquire if they needed the money for anything else (I'm not going to waste my time with guys like Casey... who would save over 8M on the cap... but will obvsiously will never be cut):

  • Ben Jones - extremely unlikely... would save 4.5M (also an option to restructure/extend)
  • Deion Lewis - unlikely - would save 3.1M
  • Darren Bates - 2.25M
  • Tajae Sharpe - 2M
  • Austin Johnson - 1.3M
  • Beau Brinkley - 1.25M
  • Kevin Pamphile - 1M
  • Kamalei Correa - 1.25M
  • Austin Pasztor - 930k
  • There's a bunch of others making vet mins (720k) that will be replaced with draft picks at a slightly lower cap hit

Restructures

  • Logan Ryan - Counts 10.6M against the cap... only 600k prorated from previous SB... so there's a lot of wiggle for an extension... just some recognition that this was an excellent contract... not only cuz he's worked out so great... but because even if he hadn't... we could have cut him this year with a 10M cap savings and 600k in dead money. (Woodyard's extension a few years ago also fits almost word for word... great extension by JRob... a move that was not very popular on the board at the time http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=586844)
  • Kevin Byard - obvious... can use this year's cap to spread some of the cap hit over this season as well.  Byard could get a nice payday with minimal proration
  • Marcus Mariota/Derrick Henry - same as Byard
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8 minutes ago, ttitansfan4life said:

Teams 3 biggest needs before FA? Pass-Rusher, IOL, and WR. Teams top 3 needs after at this point? Pass-rusher, IOL, and WR. Humphries is a solid get but also a very limited player in the slot. Still need someone opposite of Davis who can stretch the field. Wake is kind of meh to me. Solid vet but at 37 and likely just here for a season as a specialist, not really a big fan of this signing. Saffold was easily the best signing. Top 10 OG in the league and played like a top 5 OG last season. If he can continue that play and we add another solid player at RG, this OL will be pretty damn good if they adjust rather quickly. Vaccaro resigning is big because he was damn good last year and the defense played better when he was on the field. Not to mention some of the other contracts these other safeties got, I’d say he’s a major steal. The Tannehill trade is meh. When Mariota gets hurt again, it means we’ll finish with an average record and further from a top pick to land a true franchise QB. Basically brought in a Mariota clone. A very average injury prone QB. I’d give the FA a B-

I'd throw in DL as well.  

We got better.... we go into the draft without any major holes.  But we can still drastically improve our biggest needs going into the offseason.

At WR... we're back to where we were last year (replace Matthews with Humphries)... but we're an injury/loss away from being extremely thin.  We still need quality here.

Wake may have been my least favorite signing.  He's a rotational guy... not a starter.  Was last season an outlier... can we expect him to rebound?  Or was it just the start of his decent to the end of his career?  We still need to find a complimentary piece to Landry

Dline has been ignored so far... we need to drastically improve our interior pass rush.

On the OL... we upgraded one spot, but still have a big question at the other.

 

I'd give our FA a solid B so far... 

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Here is a huge question that I have....

Is there any chance that JROB views Shariff Finch as a starting OLB on first and second down and then has Wake come in on 3rd downs? Finch did take some massive steps in growth last year and was rated very highly by PFF (in his 164 snaps), but do you think he showed enough where Vrabel and JROB feel comfortable with him being our starter opposite Harold Landry?

https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2018/12/8/18131732/undrafted-rookie-sharif-finch-beginning-to-emerge-as-a-playmaker-for-the-titans-defense

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2 hours ago, Mariota615TN said:

Here is a huge question that I have....

Is there any chance that JROB views Shariff Finch as a starting OLB on first and second down and then has Wake come in on 3rd downs? Finch did take some massive steps in growth last year and was rated very highly by PFF (in his 164 snaps), but do you think he showed enough where Vrabel and JROB feel comfortable with him being our starter opposite Harold Landry?

https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2018/12/8/18131732/undrafted-rookie-sharif-finch-beginning-to-emerge-as-a-playmaker-for-the-titans-defense

I think he's showed enough that they are liking his potential.  I certainly do.  But he was well short of showing anywhere near enough for the Titans to be comfortable with him as a starter.  I don't think they're necessarily comfortable with Landry.

Given the amount they paid out to get him here, I think it's clear they think very highly of Finch.

I think it's likely he will be given every opportunity to get playing time, but I'm thinking Landry and Wake are our starters, with a high pick rookie very likely to see a big chunk of Wake's reps.  It's a talented class of pass rushers, and winning teams don't fix needs in free agency, they fix them in the draft.  Plus, both Finch and Landry have very recent injury histories, and Wake is 37.  They're drafting a pass rusher, and if I was a gambling man, I'd say they'll do so in the first couple of rounds.

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