Dr LBC Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, kramxel said: Mayock is a good entertainer, and that's why it worked on TV. He's also very composed and self-assured. He's not a great scout and that has showed through the years. He clearly lets his personal bias influence what he sees on tape. He's a good scout, not great, but I do think his ability gets oversold pretty heavily - the same as it does for a lot of the draft analysts who don't have actual practical staff experience - because he has a lot of people feeding him a lot of data at NFLN (because Mayock is as much a brand for them to sell during the draft as Kiper was/has been for ESPN for years). Mayock knows the major conference guys and the highly-touted guys in classes, but I've talked to several guys who regularly attend/cover the Shrine and NFLPA practices/games and they've said Mayock is constantly having to ask the names of the guys participating there because he flatly doesn't know them. He has a checklist of skills/req's for guys that he values at each position and he can recognize those traits when he sees them, but his familiarity with the diaguys who haven't gotten publicity until they either standout in a postseason game or show well at the Combine isn't great - IIRC Jeremiah and Charles Davis (both of which have staffed before, I believe) are consistently shedding light on these types of prospects well before Mayock ever deigns to mention them. That said, I can actually see this being a good hire for the time being for the Raiders because if, as I believe to be the case, Mark Davis is cash-poor enough to not be able to afford re-signing players to large guaranteed sums or with significant signing bonus monies until several years into residency in Vegas, they're going to need far better than the league average success rate (not necessarily drafting studs, but at minimum exceeding the league average in "not missing" on picks) in drafting and Mayock should be good for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Shoot. I wanted a Mayock/Shaw cambo in Az. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Superman(DH23) said: Based on what I know about Mayock, hes going to put a premium on rushing the passer and protecting the QB. Dbs will be technically sound guys who will come up and tackle, and TEs better be willing blockers. Actually sounds pretty solid to me. Everything you touched on fits Gruden's philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCampBody Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Superman(DH23) said: Tall, big arm, accurate and cares less about mobility. That is pretty much every GM in the NFL is looking for that And those GM's probably got fired or are still looking for a QB Although it's not just tall and big arm that creates his blind spot at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, RandomCampBody said: And those GM's probably got fired or are still looking for a QB Although it's not just tall and big arm that creates his blind spot at the position. It's kind of a question of how genuine his willingness to be hypocritical and excuse (if not make up entirely false narratives) poor traits for the prospects that meet his thresholds that he doesn't excuse and holds against the guys that don't. Mayock does not come off to me as a humble guy, quite the opposite actually, he comes across pretty arrogant. And arrogance lends itself to blindspots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 hours ago, amazingandre said: 8 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: ESPN is reporting as well so.... I'm curious why so much hate? I understand he has no GM experience but neither did Elway, Lynch and numerous others. What Mayock has over damn near all of the GM's in the NFL is the ability to not only find talent but possibly bring in some of the best Talent evaluators He knows, not currently employed or even steal several away from other organizations with him to the Raiders. Isn't all the hoopla about Trading Mack, Cooper ect about the draft capital the Raiders acquired for the next few drafts? So why wouldn't you want as Draft Guru of sorts to help utilize those picks? Mayock has built relationships throughout the NFL with virtually every Franchise the past 30 years including with Chucky. Does that not help as a GM? Especially when dealing with Gruden? If Scrubs like Elway and Lynch with Zero FO , Personnel and Scouting backgrounds can somehow make it in the NFL, why cant Mayock? I mean Howie Roseman started out on the Salary Cap Counsil back in 02' for godsake absolutely no football background? Got no problem with the hire what so ever. At the very least he's GM for the next two seasons , Drafts the **** out of players and they go from there. I can think of worse Hires TBH. I agree. From a draft perspective he will be a great addition. To be perfectly honest, it's the most important job of a GM. If you fail in the Draft it trickle downs to every other aspect of the Organization. He can surround himself with a Cap Guru, Personnel Director, people to deal with every day Organizational stuff, ect. What I find amusing is the assumption by so many that he automatically will fail. He like every single 1st time GM new to the position has to do 1 thing. Surround yourself with as many quality people as possible. I think Mayock might have that list a people to choose from given his relations over 30 years in Spades!!!!! Great hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, The LBC said: It's kind of a question of how genuine his willingness to be hypocritical and excuse (if not make up entirely false narratives) poor traits for the prospects that meet his thresholds that he doesn't excuse and holds against the guys that don't. Mayock does not come off to me as a humble guy, quite the opposite actually, he comes across pretty arrogant. And arrogance lends itself to blindspots. I can understand the feelings of arrogance, but I've also seen him say he flat out missed on prospects as well. No scout is perfect, but ik hes a grinder and if he fails it wonr be from a lack of effort. As for the stuff about him knowing some guys, he himself admits he doesnt get to watch a lot of the lower level guys until after the college season ends bc of his TV responsibilities. Keep in mind, he focuses on one college team in the season bc of his nbc job, and then he also has other commentator duties in the postseason. He doesnt have to worry about those other responsibilities anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Would you really want Mark Davis as a boss? With an NFL GM salary? I'd make due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles23 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I hope it works out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 It’s always interesting to see how moves like this split FF into two camps; those willing to analyze the pros and cons of a hire, signing, firing, etc, and those who will just reply “lmao dumpster fire lol”. I think hiring Mayock is totally reliant on other factors to be successful. If his role is exclusively to evaluate talent both as a draft analyst and on the current roster/free agents, then it’s a potentially very good hire. Surround him with cap specialists, etc, and let him do his work. However, if he has to undertake other typical GM duties which he has no experience at all of, it could be a disaster. With 5 picks in the first 2 rounds in the next couple of drafts, I think it’ll actually be a decent move in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper15 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 He was the biggest reason I watched NFLN draft coverage ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I always like Mayock until the combine, at which point he lets 40 yard dashes completely sway his opinions on prospects, which falls right in line with Al Davis, so it's a great match. I wonder who nfl network will replace him with to pair up with Daniel Jeremiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, ET80 said: With an NFL GM salary? I'd make due. Dude I’d get my hair cut the same as him for that salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Daniel Jeremiah has worked with the Ravens before and has experience working with teams. If Mayock does well I wonder if this opens some doors for these guys to get jobs/get back in the NFL. Pretty sure DJ turned down a job a couple years back, not sure what the position was or what team though. I’d like to get Bucky Brooks on the staff in New Orleans, I’ve always liked him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, ET80 said: With an NFL GM salary? I'd make due. You're not gonna be the GM because of a podcast, I don't care how many MeUndies subscriptions you sell. You're looking at Director of Fullback Scouting at best. You wanna be enthusiastic about fullbacks to Jon Gruden? For years? Being that happy about anything may actually kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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