Ty21 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 In these days if you don’t win a super bowl in your first three years as a head coach you’re axed it seems like but Marvin Lewis was allowed to be average and do essentially nothing for a decade and a half. Was he mowing Mike Browns lawn for free or something? He’s an inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Nix Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tyty said: In these days if you don’t win a super bowl in your first three years as a head coach you’re axed it seems like but Marvin Lewis was allowed to be average and do essentially nothing for a decade and a half. Was he mowing Mike Browns lawn for free or something? He’s an inspiration. He brought Cincy out of the dark ages of the 90s and I think Mike Brown was too afraid to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 14 hours ago, johndeere1707 said: He brought Cincy out of the dark ages of the 90s and I think Mike Brown was too afraid to move on. That's cool he dragged Cincy out of the laughing stock of the NFL and all, but WHYDFML? Oh, right, 0 playoff wins in 16 years, 3 straight seasons without making the playoffs, all with one of the best receivers in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 14 hours ago, johndeere1707 said: He brought Cincy out of the dark ages of the 90s and I think Mike Brown was too afraid to move on. That's probably the fairest take. I mean, up until 2014, he had taken the Bengals to the playoffs in 7 of 10 years, right? But man, since that last playoff loss, which was ugly, it's been a horror show. Still, most could see hanging on an extra year, maybe 2. But while hindsight is 20/20, pretty fair to say this has been at least 2-3 years too long now. After that PIT WC weekend loss, the debate was heavy, given CIN's futility before Lewis showed up. Guess it's another example of a hero living long enough to see himself become the villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I’ve checked to make sure all sources and sound bites of Hue being endorsed aren’t from The Onion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 17 hours ago, johndeere1707 said: He brought Cincy out of the dark ages of the 90s and I think Mike Brown was too afraid to move on. If this could be true and the Bengals could hire Jeff Fisher, I'd die a happy man. Just give him another 15-20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 heres to having Hue Jackson for another 16 years at a discounted rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeTheBallDeep Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Before Marvin Lewis arrived the Bengals were a complete mess. In the 5 seasons before he got there the Bengals won a total of 19 games and hadn’t had a winning season since 1990 (He started in 2003) They kept him on board for too long no doubt, but he did help get them back on track as an NFL Franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 hours ago, johndeere1707 said: He brought Cincy out of the dark ages of the 90s and I think Mike Brown was too afraid to move on. So why consider Hue, who was just in the darkest of ages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otg Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I don't know how much credit he ever really deserved though... Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Rudi Johnson, and the offensive line* were already here. He drafted Carson Palmer his first year but that was going to happen no matter what. Steinbach went at the top of the second finishing the line and that's the story of the Bengals success for the years that followed. We got by on offensive. Our defensive needed to play with a lead to look any good. The defense didn't really look very good until Zimmer was the DC. Marvin Lewis's success came from an offensive that he inherited and a defense built by someone else. The Bengals were terrible before he arrived, but I don't really see any specific change and say that it was Marvin's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, otg said: I don't know how much credit he ever really deserved though... Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Rudi Johnson, and the offensive line* were already here. He drafted Carson Palmer his first year but that was going to happen no matter what. Steinbach went at the top of the second finishing the line and that's the story of the Bengals success for the years that followed. We got by on offensive. Our defensive needed to play with a lead to look any good. The defense didn't really look very good until Zimmer was the DC. Marvin Lewis's success came from an offensive that he inherited and a defense built by someone else. The Bengals were terrible before he arrived, but I don't really see any specific change and say that it was Marvin's doing. Can't say I disagree with anything here. Granted Zimmer stated Marvin was the reason he came to Cincy, so he should get credit for that. Marvin has lost Zimmer, Vance Joseph, Jay Gruden, and Hue Jackson from the staff to HC openings. While only Zimmer has really had any success as a head coach those pieces were good in coordinator/position coach roles, and it's a lot of staff to replace. Marvin isn't Andy Reid or Belichick. He put together a decent staff but wasn't able to replace them properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Cinci was a mess before they got there. He consistently had above average teams. He made the playoffs frequently. Yes he didn't win a playoff game. However, there's more money saying that the Bengals get a downgrade than an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, lancerman said: Cinci was a mess before they got there. He consistently had above average teams. He made the playoffs frequently. Yes he didn't win a playoff game. However, there's more money saying that the Bengals get a downgrade than an upgrade. 1 That's the problem with changing coaches. I can't speak to the situation in Cincinnati, but there are actually a decent number of Viking fans in Minnesota who are calling for Mike Zimmer to be fired. It's ridiculous, IMO. The chances of finding a coach better than Zim are extremely remote. You don't fire a guy like that a year after going to the NFCCG. The Packers just fired their Super Bowl-winning coach too. Even though it had probably come to where he had started to lose the locker room, it's like you said, what happens if the next guy they hire is a bust? They just flushed Aaron Rodgers' last few productive years down the toilet. It's a tough situation when it gets to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, lancerman said: However, there's more money saying that the Bengals get a downgrade than an upgrade. Two distinct issues that I believe are getting blurred together. Bengals have issues at the Head Coaching level and at an Organizational level. It will be extremely difficult to overcome both. Just because hiring a better head coach than Marvin Lewis won't fix the organizational issues, doesn't mean the Bengals shouldn't explore that option. A new head coach has been needed for a while, and finding a better head coach than Marvin honestly shouldn't be that hard as long as we don't hire a retread/in-house candidate. Duke Tobin being in place, helps with the transition as well because IMO he's done a good job as the defacto-GM. Bengals will still need to resolve other organizational level issues, and hopefully the new head coach can concentrate on coaching rather than trying to fix Mike Brown, which Marvin did a tremendous job of over the past 16 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: That's the problem with changing coaches. I can't speak to the situation in Cincinnati, but there are actually a decent number of Viking fans in Minnesota who are calling for Mike Zimmer to be fired. It's ridiculous, IMO. The chances of finding a coach better than Zim are extremely remote. You don't fire a guy like that a year after going to the NFCCG. The Packers just fired their Super Bowl-winning coach too. Even though it had probably come to where he had started to lose the locker room, it's like you said, what happens if the next guy they hire is a bust? They just flushed Aaron Rodgers' last few productive years down the toilet. It's a tough situation when it gets to that point. You just summarized Mike Brown's mentality to a "t". He's afraid to make change for fear of going backwards. Even some of the fanbase thinks this way. It's the "devil you know" argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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