warfelg Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, August4th said: does his contract make it impossible for us to trade him tho? it will eat up a lot of cap space doubt brown retires a steeler tho Close to it. Unless he agrees to a restructured contract, the team taking him on is willing to basically eat money on a player coming back, it would mean basically using the Bell savings to offset losing Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AFF Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, BlaqOptic said: Again, no you don't. You''re pathetically transparent. You don't get to play the "may or may not have happened" card when you prsent things that still haven't outright been proven regarding Brown. You're transparent in your stance. All but 2 of those instances are known to have occurred or can be proven...I stated the charity and police thing are reportedly... You tried deflecting from a history of behavior involving AB that gives an indication that this “incident” had a high probability of occurring(along with being reported by multiple people)...to try involving something Ben may or may not have done 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, August4th said: This is the issue I have with the media, TBH. So you're telling me that all of these people "believed" the knee story for 4 days and then the day after the post-season is gone they turn into the FBI and can figure out the information from so many different sources? That's the part that's frustrating... Why wasn't this reported before Sunday's game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, AlanFanecaFan said: All but 2 of those instances are known to have occurred or can be proven...I stated the charity and police thing are reportedly... You tried deflecting from a history of behavior involving AB that gives an indication that this “incident” had a high probability of occurring(along with being reported by multiple people)...to try involving something Ben may or may not have done 10 years ago. What about the 15 years of BS drama Ben has aired out in the media? That doesn’t matter? Just because it’s been 10 years since law inforcement issues doesn’t mean he’s been a model teammate and citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, AlanFanecaFan said: All but 2 of those instances are known to have occurred or can be proven...I stated the charity and police thing are reportedly... You tried deflecting from a history of behavior involving AB that gives an indication that this “incident” had a high probability of occurring(along with being reported by multiple people)...to try involving something Ben may or may not have done 10 years ago. Because I'm not going to get into it with somebody who's being so god damn transparent. You've pulled this bullcrap all season, pretending Ben is perfect. We get it. You're about as transparent as glass and think Ben is perfect. Keep telling us how speeding, slamming the door in a cops face, and a vague social media threat relate to this. You know since we're playing the "may or may not have done" card as those are the only three things with any substantiation at this point in time. Those of us who realize they're both part of the issue will be over talking about it at the big boy table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, warfelg said: What about the 15 years of BS drama Ben has aired out in the media? That doesn’t matter? Just because it’s been 10 years since law inforcement issues doesn’t mean he’s been a model teammate and citizen. He's clearly taken a side. Ben is perfect in his eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 So deconstructing this year between these two: Ben slips mini-camp, Brown unhappy because he shows up to almost everything. Brown gets injured, Ben develops chemistry with other WRs. Because of the chemistry, Ben spreads the ball around, Brown comments about underutilization. Ben calls out Brown saying get open. Ben calls out Brown for needing to have targets. Ben calls out Brown for running wrong routes leading to INTs. Ben wants to rerun a practice play, Brown unhappy they have to do it again. Leads me to think in rerunning the play that caused Brown to flip was a Brown centric play and Brown felt called out again. And when they replaced Brown, he got mad about the constant call outs while Ben regularly gets to skip practices and messes up with little retribution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, warfelg said: What about the 15 years of BS drama Ben has aired out in the media? That doesn’t matter? Just because it’s been 10 years since law inforcement issues doesn’t mean he’s been a model teammate and citizen. None of that has anything to do with all this AB drama right now. The evidence of this is staring people in the face but everyone ignores it. As far as whoever that was indicating that Ben was the problem for all those people?.... -Bryant suspended indefinitely...knucklehead -Bell held out all season, wanted stupid $$$ -Washington rookie WR -Haley...Steelers red zone offense improved dramatically IIRC w/o him. Edited January 1, 2019 by AlanFanecaFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlanFanecaFan said: None of that has anything to do with all this AB drama right now. The evidence of this is staring people in the face but everyone ignores it. As far as whoever that was indicating that Ben was the problem for all those people?.... -Bryant suspended indefinitely...knucklehead -Bell held out all season, wanted stupid $$$ -Washington rookie WR -Haley...Steelers red zone offense improved dramatically IIRC w/o him. So everyone is at fault but Ben? Note the fact Ben trash talked Bryant, Bell, Brown, Haley. That means nothing? Bens a ******* drama queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: Because I'm not going to get into it with somebody who's being so god damn transparent. You've pulled this bullcrap all season, pretending Ben is perfect. We get it. You're about as transparent as glass and think Ben is perfect. Keep telling us how speeding, slamming the door in a cops face, and a vague social media threat relate to this. You know since we're playing the "may or may not have done" card as those are the only three things with any substantiation at this point in time. Those of us who realize they're both part of the issue will be over talking about it at the big boy table. You resorting to insults doesn’t change things. I show it as a pattern of recent behavior indicating said reported event has likely occurred...you immediately deflect to talking about Ben from 10 years ago. Ben May or may not have done stupid crap at that point in time...still has nothing to do with AB having a temper tantrum right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, AlanFanecaFan said: You resorting to insults doesn’t change things. I show it as a pattern of recent behavior indicating said reported event has likely occurred...you immediately deflect to talking about Ben from 10 years ago. Ben May or may not have done stupid crap at that point in time...still has nothing to do with AB having a temper tantrum right now. Except that was never the argument... Everyone has already acknowledge that this likely happened due to Brown's volatile nature. You're lying pretending that your stance was to point out that Brown's "recent" history lends credence to this because it wasn't needed. So you're either being outright facetious or... Wait. I know you are because you've temperately ignored Ben's history of disagreeing and criticizing teammates - which is also been a central part of this story that you conveniently ignore - because it doesn't fit the narrative that you want to create in that Ben has a very large part in this too as media outlets are also reporting. It's further evidenced by you making excuses for everything else when the common factor is... You guess it. One Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, warfelg said: So everyone is at fault but Ben? Note the fact Ben trash talked Bryant, Bell, Brown, Haley. That means nothing? Bens a ******* drama queen. Yes. AFF has clearly made up his mind as to who the culprit is because he's a Ben apologist. We have 1000s of them in our fanbase. Same for Tomlin apologists, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, warfelg said: So everyone is at fault but Ben? Note the fact Ben trash talked Bryant, Bell, Brown, Haley. That means nothing? Bens a ******* drama queen. Ben is a drama queen but it’s mire related to him acting like he’s dead once a quarter after taking a hit. In all his more public “disagreements”, Ben has come out on top of those you stated above after the fact. He may be a p—-k but he’s been right way more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, warfelg said: So deconstructing this year between these two: Ben slips mini-camp, Brown unhappy because he shows up to almost everything. Brown gets injured, Ben develops chemistry with other WRs. Because of the chemistry, Ben spreads the ball around, Brown comments about underutilization. Ben calls out Brown saying get open. Ben calls out Brown for needing to have targets. Ben calls out Brown for running wrong routes leading to INTs. Ben wants to rerun a practice play, Brown unhappy they have to do it again. Leads me to think in rerunning the play that caused Brown to flip was a Brown centric play and Brown felt called out again. And when they replaced Brown, he got mad about the constant call outs while Ben regularly gets to skip practices and messes up with little retribution. I would add to this the change in the season was in the Falcon's game when Ben tried to force the ball to AB and got picked off in the EZ. After that point he began to throw to other receivers and the offense took off. Where there’s smoke, there’s likely AB acting up. I honestly think he has some mental issues going on. He’s 31 years old now and the injuries are starting to pop up late in seasons. Foster, Pouncey, and Gilbert are all held together by string at this point and Ben only has a few years left. The window is down to about 2 -3 years max, then it’s a full on rebuild. Knowing Rooney, they’ll stick with Tomlin until Ben is gone and then blow the whole thing up. AB is a kid from a rough background that blew up and made millions at a young age. Got more money and fame than anyone should have, especially for a guy who never dealt with his past or issues. It’s a damn shame because he’s a once in a lifetime talent, but his story won’t end well. If they can get fair value they need to move on. Edited January 1, 2019 by jebrick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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