Sapo28 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, JetsandI said: The problem with Willis was a lack of pass rushing activity and it has nothing to do with weight. Currently, he is penciled as DE on the internet but I hope he still runs fast to get qb. Focusing on attacking qb and worrying about rushing skills later. Guys don't run as fast when they've put on extra weight... Like Rich has suggested, he was arguably playing out of position in Cincy. What is the difference between attacking the qb and pass rushing?? Your posts don't make sense and is only made worse that I have to read 3 in a row.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mattmanz91 said: I'd trade this year's 2nd and next year's 4th maybe even next year's 3rd to make up the difference since Philly's 1st will likely fall outside of the top 20. There are three problems: We are a division rival; there is bad blood between the Dolphins and Gase; and there will be plenty of interest in him if Miami is motivated to make a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KingOfNewYork Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 We could theoretically pull this off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen420 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Not too interested in Minkah. We need someone who can play well outside (I believe his niche is the slot) and the Dolphins will ask us for more than some other teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmanz91 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said: Not too interested in Minkah. We need someone who can play well outside (I believe his niche is the slot) and the Dolphins will ask us for more than some other teams Most think he's better suited to play outside and Miami played him out of place on the inside and he still performed really well. And honestly if the dolphins want our second I'd do it right now. Edited September 13, 2019 by mattmanz91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC33 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'd be all over Minkah, love his intangibles both on/off the field, but for the same reasons already pointed out, I highly doubt were a legitimate destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmanz91 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, jetskid007 said: There are three problems: We are a division rival; there is bad blood between the Dolphins and Gase; and there will be plenty of interest in him if Miami is motivated to make a deal. I agree with all of that but Douglas' has the respect of many execs throughout the league and also has no problem trading inside the division. I think there's a better chance for Douglas to make it happen than any other GM we've had. However I would still bet he winds up somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sapo28 said: Guys don't run as fast when they've put on extra weight... Like Rich has suggested, he was arguably playing out of position in Cincy. What is the difference between attacking the qb and pass rushing?? Your posts don't make sense and is only made worse that I have to read 3 in a row.. pass rushing activity is anyhow to sack or disrupt qbs. attacking qb is like one gap shooting and/or bltizing. pass rushing skill involves some shredding off blocker, off snap quickness, lateral movement, arc movement, etc to get qb. The bottom line is Willis doesn't make good production on the field for Bengals due to a lack of pass rushing skill sets, not him running slower in result of gaining weight. Edited September 13, 2019 by JetsandI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, mattmanz91 said: I agree with all of that but Douglas' has the respect of many execs throughout the league and also has no problem trading inside the division. I think there's a better chance for Douglas to make it happen than any other GM we've had. However I would still bet he winds up somewhere else. Possibly but Jetskid's #3 is too much to think that Jets have a real shot at Fitzpatrick. Still, it is a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, GangGreen420 said: Not too interested in Minkah. We need someone who can play well outside (I believe his niche is the slot) and the Dolphins will ask us for more than some other teams I couldn't disagree more. We need good football players. Minkah would not only improve our defense now, but he'd be a building block for us headed into the future. Keep in mind: Brian Poole is an UFA after the season, Roberts will be cut, and I'm sure the Jets will explore releasing Trumaine Johnson with the post-June 1 designation ($11 million cap savings in 2020). 3-wide is the new base offense, and in this defense, the nickel/slot CB is expected to be a playmaker: Gregg wants the player in this spot to be a good run defender, a pass rusher, and someone who can cover. Minkah does all that and more at a high level. Does he solve our perimeter CB problem? Not necessarily, but he's a great football player cheaply under contract at a position of need. Whether we play him outside or inside in the short term is irrelevant, he's a massive upgrade over what we have currently and is a long-term building block. Acquiring him for anything less than a 1st would be a grand slam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'd trade for Minkah easy. He's got two years on his rookie deal and we need to sure up our corner situation this off-season anyways. If BB is willing to trade with the Jets after 20 years, then Miami can't be too much of a long shot. Plus, our 2nd or 3rd will look better than any of the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, jetskid007 said: I couldn't disagree more. We need good football players. Minkah would not only improve our defense now, but he'd be a building block for us headed into the future. Keep in mind: Brian Poole is an UFA after the season, Roberts will be cut, and I'm sure the Jets will explore releasing Trumaine Johnson with the post-June 1 designation ($11 million cap savings in 2020). 3-wide is the new base offense, and in this defense, the nickel/slot CB is expected to be a playmaker: Gregg wants the player in this spot to be a good run defender, a pass rusher, and someone who can cover. Minkah does all that and more at a high level. Does he solve our perimeter CB problem? Not necessarily, but he's a great football player cheaply under contract at a position of need. Whether we play him outside or inside in the short term is irrelevant, he's a massive upgrade over what we have currently and is a long-term building block. Acquiring him for anything less than a 1st would be a grand slam. This exactly. Only way I see us pulling it off is offering something significantly more than other teams where its too good for Miami to pass up. I'd totally be OK with giving up a 2nd and a mid round pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) We will see. Douglas values OL greatly and a bunch of good OL are day 2 prospects always. It would be a tough trade. umm. Edited September 13, 2019 by JetsandI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, JetsandI said: We will see. Douglas values OL greatly and a bunch of good OL are day 2 prospects always. It would be a tough trade. umm. Could always move back and accumulate picks. Philly always seem to make moves to get talent either trading back or up. This would essentially be using our 2020 second now rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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