Bobby816 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, ekill08x said: Yeah hard pass on a guy who could be a complainer with a young QB and HC who wants everyone buying in. I disagree. And I generally don’t like guys with attitude issues. But I feel most great WRs have an attitude. So then never get a big time WR is the answer? I don’t think so. Especially when trying to develop a QB. I’d rather have a star with a mouth then have no one at all. And the draft a guy in the mid Rounds argument debate isn’t a legit repsiense back imo. I’ll give you the list of mid rounds WRs we’ve drafted recently that are not even on the team. So that’s not a viable option for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: I disagree. And I generally don’t like guys with attitude issues. But I feel most great WRs have an attitude. So then never get a big time WR is the answer? I don’t think so. Especially when trying to develop a QB. I’d rather have a star with a mouth then have no one at all. And the draft a guy in the mid Rounds argument debate isn’t a legit repsiense back imo. I’ll give you the list of mid rounds WRs we’ve drafted recently that are not even on the team. So that’s not a viable option for me. No issues with Julio, Nuk, etc. I wouldn’t say most. Outside of OBJ and Antonio, I can’t think of any top 10 receivers with drama. With that said, I don’t want a guy who’ll complain to a young QB and put pressure on him to get him the ball. But that’s just me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: No issues with Julio, Nuk, etc. I wouldn’t say most. Outside of OBJ and Antonio, I can’t think of any top 10 receivers with drama. With that said, I don’t want a guy who’ll complain to a young QB and put pressure on him to get him the ball. But that’s just me personally. I’m being more general in my statement. Most star WRs have egos. So I’m ok with the ego as long as the play matches. If Brown is a Me 1st guy for 2 seasons with us but I’d a big piece in developing Darnold into a franchise QB... was it not worth the drama and selfishness? For me yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobby816 said: I disagree. And I generally don’t like guys with attitude issues. But I feel most great WRs have an attitude. So then never get a big time WR is the answer? I don’t think so. Especially when trying to develop a QB. I’d rather have a star with a mouth then have no one at all. And the draft a guy in the mid Rounds argument debate isn’t a legit repsiense back imo. I’ll give you the list of mid rounds WRs we’ve drafted recently that are not even on the team. So that’s not a viable option for me. You cant just say we shouldnt draft WRs in middle rounds because weve been burnt before that is insane. We are still rebuilding. The character of this team is way mroe important than trading away precious draft capital to obtain a disgruntled veteran on the wrong side of 30. THis is what weve always done and thats why we are in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 hours ago, ekill08x said: You cant just say we shouldnt draft WRs in middle rounds because weve been burnt before that is insane. We are still rebuilding. The character of this team is way mroe important than trading away precious draft capital to obtain a disgruntled veteran on the wrong side of 30. THis is what weve always done and thats why we are in this mess. Your train of thought is sound. But it’s nit reality. Has Macc drafted well? Especially in the mid rounds? For me the answer is No with no hesitation. Therefor the picks then become quite less valuable to me. If we had a GM that was drafting well, then yes the picks would be of higher value. In 4 full offseasons Macc hasn’t shown he has an eye for talent. Therefor I’d rather see us trade the picks for proven talent if the value is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I’m warming up to Bell. I think Gase will move him around and utilize him in a bunch of ways. He’d be more of an OW(offensive weapon) than just a Running Back. But I also think building up the trenches will be more of an emphasis for our staff this first offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Bobby816 said: I’m being more general in my statement. Most star WRs have egos. So I’m ok with the ego as long as the play matches. If Brown is a Me 1st guy for 2 seasons with us but I’d a big piece in developing Darnold into a franchise QB... was it not worth the drama and selfishness? For me yes Not really though. You rarely here about locker room issues or drama from most of the elite receivers. And a me first guy won’t help your young QB develop. It’ll add unnecessary drama and pressure onto Darnold. There’s no need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: Not really though. You rarely here about locker room issues or drama from most of the elite receivers. And a me first guy won’t help your young QB develop. It’ll add unnecessary drama and pressure onto Darnold. There’s no need to. A change of scenery can change all that though. You see as players age they calm down and care to help others. Brown might just see the writing on the wall in Pitt and stirring all this up to have a way out (unprofessional I know). He knows Big Ben isn't great anymore. Bell is done there. So he wants to go too. If I had to choose between 1 of Bell or Brown I would choose Bell for sure. But I do think that a legit WR needs to be added. Not a tier 2 or 3 WR in FA or a 3rd or 4th Round WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: A change of scenery can change all that though. You see as players age they calm down and care to help others. Brown might just see the writing on the wall in Pitt and stirring all this up to have a way out (unprofessional I know). He knows Big Ben isn't great anymore. Bell is done there. So he wants to go too. If I had to choose between 1 of Bell or Brown I would choose Bell for sure. But I do think that a legit WR needs to be added. Not a tier 2 or 3 WR in FA or a 3rd or 4th Round WR. Santonio was drama when he came here man. A change of scenery won’t change him. How often do drama-filled player change with a change of scenery? Not often. And in terms of Ben not being great anymore, he just had arguably the best year of his career. You can win in the NFL without an elite receiver if you have good depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just a note to all, if you aren’t a social media person, what AB is doing on Twitter right now is pretty crazy. Called out Arians, Emmanuel Sanders, is retweeting negative things about the Steelers, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, barnaby8787 said: Just a note to all, if you aren’t a social media person, what AB is doing on Twitter right now is pretty crazy. Called out Arians, Emmanuel Sanders, is retweeting negative things about the Steelers, etc. Exactly why trading draft capital for this over 30 drama queen is absolutely stupid. We just drafted a 21 year old QB to be our guy, you want as much character here as possible. Stay the course Jets. This is not a team that’s even close to contending yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, barnaby8787 said: Just a note to all, if you aren’t a social media person, what AB is doing on Twitter right now is pretty crazy. Called out Arians, Emmanuel Sanders, is retweeting negative things about the Steelers, etc. Part of why I want no part of him, sure he’s a great WR but his behavior and attitude is horrible and something I don’t want near Sam by any means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, ekill08x said: Exactly why trading draft capital for this over 30 drama queen is absolutely stupid. We just drafted a 21 year old QB to be our guy, you want as much character here as possible. Stay the course Jets. This is not a team that’s even close to contending yet. I wont disagree about Brown's attitude not being ideal and I'd be ok if we didn't land him. But the value in the draft picks is what gets me. I'll in my next post give a rundown of when and who we've drafted that are skill position players and it will show you why trading a pick for a proven WR is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Part of why I want no part of him, sure he’s a great WR but his behavior and attitude is horrible and something I don’t want near Sam by any means If we were an AB type receiver away from being a super bowl team...sure. We’ve won 14 games in 3 years....14 effing games. We need to simply draft better and bring in quality free agents. We have a surplus of cap space and a top 3 pick and no second rounders...we should be focusing on using our cap space and trying to acquire more draft capital as opposed to the contrary especially for an aging player whose clearly a d-bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfuel34 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I think Brown might be scaring away most teams with his hate. He may not even have a team next year. Bell is the guy I want and he has fresh legs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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