MOSteelers56 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Cbrunn said: I really like tereill hanks and he did well at the senior bowl He reminds me of Haasan Reddick. He looks good but he might need a year before he gets up to speed. He seemed kind of stiff in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Looking more and more at the Edge class and it's just terrible. Outside of the first few picks I see very little to get excited about. I say this knowing we aren't really in market for a Pass Rushing OLB. If you weren't aware, we have one already. What is needed is a Zone Coverage/Edge setting/Run Stuffing/Rush occasionally OLB. The only one that satisfies that and isn't a high draft pick is DeAndre Walker. He checks MOST of those boxes with Pass Rushing being his weakest skill. However, he appears to have the traits to improve upon that. With a current #86 draft grade, he would be my 3rdr. I heard it was a deep class. I don't see what the Draft'Niks see. Edited January 30, 2019 by Chieferific 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwalker Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Chieferific said: Looking more and more at the Edge class and it's just terrible. Outside of the first few picks I see very little to get excited about. I say this knowing we aren't really in market for a Pass Rushing OLB. If you weren't aware, we have one already. What is needed is a Zone Coverage/Edge setting/Run Stuffing/Rush occasionally OLB. The only one that satisfies that and isn't a high draft pick is DeAndre Walker. He checks MOST of those boxes with Pass Rushing being his weakest skill. However, he appears to have the traits to improve upon that. With a current #86 draft grade, he would be my 3rdr. I heard it was a deep class. I don't see what the Draft'Niks see. I feel the same. Some of the strong pass rushers aren't great in space (Ferguson, Ximines). Outside of the top few (Bosa, Ferrell, Sweat, Polite) it gets tough to project. I think Banogu could be interesting, possibly the two Oregon kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If they do not get a EDGE early ( 1st pick or move up in the 2nd) then the class is basically done for impact players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 There’s a lot more depth at the edge than you guys are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Do you want a Starter or a replacement for Chick? The players that can be an OLB for the EDGE players are smaller than the number of EDGE players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Liking Polite from Florida more and more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 hours ago, AlanFanecaFan said: Liking Polite from Florida more and more. He is a favorite. Someone noted he plays 18" off the ground when he bends around. Much like James Harrison did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, jebrick said: He is a favorite. Someone noted he plays 18" off the ground when he bends around. Much like James Harrison did. If he AND Baker are there, what do you do? Not taking Polite leaves you with next to nothing at Pass Rushing EDGE imo. Not taking Baker leaves you with some 2 tier guys that are "Ok". But taking Baker in the 1st leaves you with the ability to take an OLB like Walker that isn't nearly the Pass Rusher Polite is but is that what we need? Polite can hold his own in the Run game but Walker is dominant there. Walker prolly is the better Cover LB as well. So what do you do? They're not gonna Rush 5 every down. I wrestled with this and currently would go Polite. I'm of the philosophy that good Pass Rushers make corners better more then good Corners make Pass Rushers better. But to further complicate matters, I'd rather Dupree start then Sensebaugh. So I'll prolly flip again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chieferific said: If he AND Baker are there, what do you do? Not taking Polite leaves you with next to nothing at Pass Rushing EDGE imo. Not taking Baker leaves you with some 2 tier guys that are "Ok". But taking Baker in the 1st leaves you with the ability to take an OLB like Walker that isn't nearly the Pass Rusher Polite is but is that what we need? Polite can hold his own in the Run game but Walker is dominant there. Walker prolly is the better Cover LB as well. So what do you do? They're not gonna Rush 5 every down. I wrestled with this and currently would go Polite. I'm of the philosophy that good Pass Rushers make corners better more then good Corners make Pass Rushers better. But to further complicate matters, I'd rather Dupree start then Sensebaugh. So I'll prolly flip again. I take Polite. Honestly. If we an get to the QB faster and better with a 4 or 5 man rush and not have to blitz to do so, you leave more men in the secondary. More men in the secondary and QB's making quicker decision making always leads to more mistakes. Without a quality pass rush we could have Blount, Revis, Polamalu, Reed back there in the secondary all in their primes and we would get shredded with the amount of pressure we had to bring just to get our sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, warfelg said: I take Polite. Honestly. If we an get to the QB faster and better with a 4 or 5 man rush and not have to blitz to do so, you leave more men in the secondary. More men in the secondary and QB's making quicker decision making always leads to more mistakes. Without a quality pass rush we could have Blount, Revis, Polamalu, Reed back there in the secondary all in their primes and we would get shredded with the amount of pressure we had to bring just to get our sacks. That's my line of thinking too (now anyways). But I can't shake the question of..."Are we wasting his talents"? He and Watt usually aren't going to rush at the same time. Are you gonna regulate Polite to the "Woodley" role. That worked pretty well but Polite may be the better Pass Rusher. You can never have too many Pass Rushers but I hate to regulate him to Run Stuffing and Covering on most downs. Seems like a waste. But I agree, I'd still take him over Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chieferific said: That's my line of thinking too (now anyways). But I can't shake the question of..."Are we wasting his talents"? He and Watt usually aren't going to rush at the same time. Are you gonna regulate Polite to the "Woodley" role. That worked pretty well but Polite may be the better Pass Rusher. You can never have too many Pass Rushers but I hate to regulate him to Run Stuffing and Covering on most downs. Seems like a waste. But I agree, I'd still take him over Baker. Look back at those stats. We sent both Dupree and Watt 65% of the time. I'm not worried about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, warfelg said: Look back at those stats. We sent both Dupree and Watt 65% of the time. I'm not worried about that. Yes, but I would like to see less blitzing. Of course to do that you have to have better coverage. I think they are both really good but Polite is a better OLB then Baker is CB imo. But is that the right player given the roster? Are we in a BPA position right now? Would it be better to take the top CB and more of an Edge setting/Coverage OLB later and Blitz that OLB occasionally but regulate Watt as the primary Pass Rusher? I merely posing questions. I don't have the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Move Dupree inside. He is pretty good at pass coverage and can be an occasional blitzer. That is if you take EDGE first. If you get White/Wilson/Bush then they are just getting a Chick replacement and a CB in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, Chieferific said: Yes, but I would like to see less blitzing. Of course to do that you have to have better coverage. I think they are both really good but Polite is a better OLB then Baker is CB imo. But is that the right player given the roster? Are we in a BPA position right now? Would it be better to take the top CB and more of an Edge setting/Coverage OLB later and Blitz that OLB occasionally but regulate Watt as the primary Pass Rusher? I merely posing questions. I don't have the answer. Just because you send both doesn’t mean we blitzed. Roughly half that rushing 65% of the time came in the 2-4-5 alignment. Another 5% in a 1-4-6. I think only about 10% of the time did both go was it a blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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