patriotsheatyan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Who had a better season, Barkley or Elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Barkley. By a decent margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Danger said: Barkley. By a decent margin. Barkley didn't have a OC deliberately sabotage him inside the redzone. You know you saw it in those games between the Eagles and Cowboys. Anytime we got within 20 yards Bud Kilmer "RARELY" went to Elliott at all. This is Zeke. Dude churns out yards like no other. Barkley needed a full game to actually overtake Elliott in total yards and only beat him by 27. With the way the Giants were that game Zeke could have had himself another 150 yards that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: Barkley didn't have a OC deliberately sabotage him inside the redzone. You know you saw it in those games between the Eagles and Cowboys. Anytime we got within 20 yards Bud Kilmer "RARELY" went to Elliott at all. This is Zeke. Dude churns out yards like no other. Barkley needed a full game to actually overtake Elliott in total yards and only beat him by 27. With the way the Giants were that game Zeke could have had himself another 150 yards that game. Who had the better O-Line? Zeke. Who had the better QB. Yes. Zeke, despite what many will try and say Dak was definitely better than Eli. Who fumbled 6 times? Who fumbled 0? Who had 6 more touchdowns. Who had more yards on fewer touches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Danger said: Who had the better O-Line? Zeke. Who had the better QB. Yes. Zeke, despite what many will try and say Dak was definitely better than Eli. Who fumbled 6 times? Who fumbled 0? Who had 6 more touchdowns. Who had more yards on fewer touches? You're not seriously bringing up TD's are you? Go back and watch the Cowboys games. Zeke was deliberately excluded from nearly all redzone play calling. I would love to see Barkley, Gurley, hell Barry Sanders or anyone rack up TD's when their coaches refuses to do anything but run shotgun formation inside the redzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: You're not seriously bringing up TD's are you? Go back and watch the Cowboys games. Zeke was deliberately excluded from nearly all redzone play calling. I would love to see Barkley, Gurley, hell Barry Sanders or anyone rack up TD's when their coaches refuses to do anything but run shotgun formation inside the redzone. So ESPN has these cool advanced statistics which allow us to test your theory. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/3929630 http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/3051392/ezekiel-elliott Inside the 20 yard line : Saquon had 56 total touches for 10 touchdowns Eliott had 50 total touches for 7 touchdowns So that puts that argument to rest. Gurley had 72 touches for 20 touchdowns. All 20 of his touchdowns came from inside the twenty, and 15 of them came from inside the 10. Not sure what to make of that, but I doubt he'd come anywhere close to that if it weren't for an offensive line that can get some push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, Gmen said: So ESPN has these cool advanced statistics which allow us to test your theory. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/3929630 http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/3051392/ezekiel-elliott Inside the 20 yard line : Saquon had 56 total touches for 10 touchdowns Eliott had 50 total touches for 7 touchdowns So that puts that argument to rest. Gurley had 72 touches for 20 touchdowns. All 20 of his touchdowns came from inside the twenty, and 15 of them came from inside the 10. Not sure what to make of that, but I doubt he'd come anywhere close to that if it weren't for an offensive line that can get some push. Yea the majority of the time setting up FG's on failed drives. This is what we call misleading stats. It's been discussed several times since last year as to why they don't use him goal line more to get into the endzone. For example that Bucs game when they were 4 yards out and Bud Kilmer calls a pass play to Gallup to the back of the endzone. We have arguably the best goal line back in the game and they air it out. Here try this link. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/redzone-rushing.htm Gurley- 69.06 Barkley- 74.8 Zeke- 56.2 By the percentage rushing attempts this is the median for all three areas. Zeke who is knocked on for his number of carries is far less included inside the redzone in the team's play design as compared to these two backs. You don't find that off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Barkley. I'm not going to say "it wasn't close", but for me, Barkley clearly had the superior season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I really feel like Gurley and Zeke are the best backs in the league. And about even. However Barkley is better than both of them. Get the kid some help and he will be a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Barkley, did just as much with less. More dynamic threat. Zeke had a great year himself and is pretty much the most consistent RB in the league, his ability to get an extra few yards when going down is truly special and really adds up over the course of a game, let alone season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 This is tough. On the 1 hand Barkley had an inferior OL but did have OBJ helping keep defenses honest and no such threat is there in Big D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Riftty said: I really feel like Gurley and Zeke are the best backs in the league. And about even. However Barkley is better than both of them. Get the kid some help and he will be a monster. Gurley and Barkley are better than Zeke. They are both better all around than Zeke. Gurley and Barkley are better than Zeke in pass protection and receiving. Running, they are all similar with Barkley having a light edge over both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Gurley and Barkley are better than Zeke. They are both better all around than Zeke. Gurley and Barkley are better than Zeke in pass protection and receiving. Running, they are all similar with Barkley having a light edge over both WTF? In 2015 at OSU Zeke blocked 103 times and never even gave up a hurry let alone a sack and in 2017 he along with Gurley, and Forte were the only backs not to miss any blocking assignments for the 2017 season. Stop with your hating. He's as elite in that area as they come. Go ahead and debate the other stuff, but that talk about pass protection is making your nose grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, Riftty said: I really feel like Gurley and Zeke are the best backs in the league. And about even. However Barkley is better than both of them. Get the kid some help and he will be a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Calvert28 said: WTF? In 2015 at OSU Zeke blocked 103 times and never even gave up a hurry let alone a sack and in 2017 he along with Gurley, and Forte were the only backs not to miss any blocking assignments for the 2017 season. Stop with your hating. He's as elite in that area as they come. Go ahead and debate the other stuff, but that talk about pass protection is making your nose grow. Easy cowboy... Stop forcing Elliot into the same convo with Barkley and Gurley. Barkley and Gurley are LT and AP level talent. Zeke is MJD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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