KFP7 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: 2nd and 1 all day. We’d go for it on fourth down anyway. If we can’t get a yard in 3 plays we deserve to punt. you wouldn't be punting but point still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Prince Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2nd and 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, KFP7 said: you wouldn't be punting but point still stands yes I meant we deserve our fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Yeah, 2nd and 1. Can't really think of a scenario where I'd take 1st and 5 unless I was trying to drain the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2nd & 1 is the best. You get to attempt a guilt-free pass downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaa1025 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 5:01 PM, Centurion said: Like the title says. Basically, scenario, defense jumps offsides and you gain 9 on first down. Do you accept the penalty for 1st and 5 and the extra down? Or do you decline for 2nd and 1 for the shorter distance to go? Depends on so much for me but I'd say in most instances, I'd rather have the 1st and 5 with the Chiefs because Mahomes gets an extra down to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2nd & 1, easily. I've got 3 downs to get 1 lousy yard? If i can't do that, i'm firing my whole offense at the earliest convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I'd take the 2nd and 1. If you can't get one yard with two downs, something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3rd & 0 4th & 26 12th & 4,700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozizaki Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 6:06 PM, Malfatron said: 1st and 5. more downs. I'd argue you have more downs on 2nd & 1. On 2nd & 1 you have whole playbook at your disposal because barring a loss on the play, you can just run for 1 yard on 3rd/4th down. On 1st and 5, you would have to gain yardage to justify going for it on 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjuice Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Let's say on 2nd & 1 the defense gets a massive sack for loss. Then you're faced with say 3rd & 14 which is a tough conversion. If that happened on 1st & 5, then you have 2nd & 18 which is a little more reasonable to overcome with an extra down. I'm sure if you analyzed the risk/reward percentages, it would say take 1st & 5. Majority of teams can run a 1st down play for at least 3-4 yards, which ultimately makes it just as safe of an option as 2nd & 1, and I'd imagine that with the extra down that the risk potential is lower. I personally want as many cracks at a big play as possible and you're a lot more unpredictable on 1st & 5 IMO, so I'd take 1st & 5 but I could see the argument both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjuice Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Nozizaki said: I'd argue you have more downs on 2nd & 1. On 2nd & 1 you have whole playbook at your disposal because barring a loss on the play, you can just run for 1 yard on 3rd/4th down. On 1st and 5, you would have to gain yardage to justify going for it on 4th. How can you possibly argue you have more downs on 2nd & 1? You literally have one less down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Nozizaki said: I'd argue you have more downs on 2nd & 1. On 2nd & 1 you have whole playbook at your disposal because barring a loss on the play, you can just run for 1 yard on 3rd/4th down. On 1st and 5, you would have to gain yardage to justify going for it on 4th. Yeah. That's pretty much how i look at it. Sure, you lose a down "numerically", but it gives you all sorts of freedom to play around and take whatever shots you want on 2nd and 3rd down, with that 1 yard play in your back pocket for 4th down if it absolutely comes down to it. You can be plenty unpredictable with those 2 downs. And ultimately, moving the chains is a good thing. Closer to moving them is better. Even taking that element away if we're talking situations where 4th&1 is no bueno, i still think that if you don't believe you can get 1 yard on 2 chances somehow...what good is an extra down gonna do you when you have to get 5 times the yardage? Like...the argument seems to be..."what if you take a loss on 2nd down???" But what if you take a loss on 1st and 5? You're in a far worse position than the alternative starts with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 18 hours ago, jetjuice said: Let's say on 2nd & 1 the defense gets a massive sack for loss. Then you're faced with say 3rd & 14 which is a tough conversion. If that happened on 1st & 5, then you have 2nd & 18 which is a little more reasonable to overcome with an extra down. I'm sure if you analyzed the risk/reward percentages, it would say take 1st & 5. Majority of teams can run a 1st down play for at least 3-4 yards, which ultimately makes it just as safe of an option as 2nd & 1, and I'd imagine that with the extra down that the risk potential is lower. I personally want as many cracks at a big play as possible and you're a lot more unpredictable on 1st & 5 IMO, so I'd take 1st & 5 but I could see the argument both ways. On 2nd and 1 I'm not running a 7 step drop. I convert on 2nd down. I'm running the ball or 3 step drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 What's funny about this is that since 2010 there have been 1,712 plays ran on first and 5 and the average yards per play were 4.17 which would also lead to 2nd and 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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