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20 minutes ago, Woz said:

What the Redskins have at defensive coordinator does not equal good either.

The devil we know is bad. There's a chance (albeit a very thin one given the franchise's professional reputation) that he devil we don't know isn't bad.

But Gruden keeps picking the devils that he knows out of the TB coaching tree, so we know they're going to be bad before getting here. 

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So, the defense was good the first part of the year. 

Then, Dunny got hurt which meant we were without the corner who was playing the best at the time and we had to play a 7th round rookie. 

Then, Alex Smith got hurt and our ball control offense/positive turnover margin went away. We had more turnovers on offense w/o Alex and our D was on the field more and got worn out as games went along.

So was it really the defensive coordinators fault?? 

Seems to me it was a combination of things.

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39 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

So, the defense was good the first part of the year. 

Then, Dunny got hurt which meant we were without the corner who was playing the best at the time and we had to play a 7th round rookie. 

Then, Alex Smith got hurt and our ball control offense/positive turnover margin went away. We had more turnovers on offense w/o Alex and our D was on the field more and got worn out as games went along.

So was it really the defensive coordinators fault?? 

Seems to me it was a combination of things.

Yes it was with the talent we have on defense they should have been carrying our offense even when Smith got hurt. We were playing a lot of bend but don't break defense(luckily until the end of the year we were great in the redzone), we were getting killed by crossing routes. With the easy schedule we had this year and the defense being barely injured they should have been a top 5 D. Instead whenever we played a team with a real offense we got blown out. The only time time they did ok was against Green Bay and that was more on the Packers continually shooting themselves in the foot.

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21 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said:

But Gruden keeps picking the devils that he knows out of the TB coaching tree, so we know they're going to be bad before getting here. 

Because it's not his failure then (even though it is)

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12 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Then, Dunny got hurt which meant we were without the corner who was playing the best at the time and we had to play a 7th round rookie. 

How on Earth did we have no depth at that position? Hmm ...

Also, didn't they play Moreau there before they went to Stroman?

13 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

So was it really the defensive coordinators fault?? 

Injuries? No.

Repeatedly playing your corners off the ball and allowing teams to attack you underneath when your linebackers couldn't cover? Yes.

Not understanding what talent you had and how to maximize it even in the face of injuries? Yes.

Not being able to adjust to what your opponents were doing? Yes.

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Just now, MikeT14 said:

There’s not enough time Woz!

Okay, fair enough.

Not being able to predict what your opponents will do based on the games both you and they have played to date? Coordinator's fault.

Being regularly "out-thunked" by the opponent's offensive coordinator? Coordinator's fault.

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Just now, naptownskinsfan said:

Also, Manusky, and for that matter, the offense, goes into prevent mode far too quickly.  Our prevent defense nearly cost us the home Dallas game when Dakota took the team on his shoulders, scored a touchdown and set them up for a game-tying field goal that missed.  

Forgot that one: "Not having any sense of game flow or when to dial up/down aggression? Coordinator's fault."

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13 hours ago, turtle28 said:

So, the defense was good the first part of the year. 

Then, Dunny got hurt which meant we were without the corner who was playing the best at the time and we had to play a 7th round rookie. 

Then, Alex Smith got hurt and our ball control offense/positive turnover margin went away. We had more turnovers on offense w/o Alex and our D was on the field more and got worn out as games went along.

So was it really the defensive coordinators fault?? 

Seems to me it was a combination of things.

The defense was never "good", the only thing that was good was our front 3 or 4 linemen and they were mitigated as the year went on because of putrid linebacking and scheme.

In the first 10 weeks (when we were "good), we were blown out by the Saints and the Falcons (good teams) and held everyone else besides the Colts to under 20. In order, those QB's were Sam Bradford, Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Dak Prescot, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Of those names, the only ones that really stand out are Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, and Matt Ryan. Those 4 were a collective 133/182 73%, 1432yds, 13tds, and 4ints. The rest of the QB's we faced went 101/157 64%, 1148yds, 3tds, 6 ints. While the TD's are down, that's not really that much difference when you consider the loss of a game and the actual quality of the QB's we faced; that's still really bad. So in our first 9 games, we gave up a collective 234/339 2580 16tds 10ints and for a season that averages out to 416/603 68%, 4551yds,  28tds, and 17ints. So essentially our defense created Kirk Cousins every game if you wanna be close to INT's or Andrew Luck if you wanna get closer to everything except TD's.

The only thing our defense showed being okay at this year was stopping the run, but the only really impressive performance was in week 8 when they held Saquon to 38 yards. Every other game they had no reason to run, they just ate our defense up by throwing the ball and this is a passing league now. Our line can't get to the QB as they should be for being so "dominant". 

So really, let's cut the BS about our defense being "good" this year. They were middle of the pack and held up by 3 really good DL and nothing else.

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13 hours ago, Woz said:

How on Earth did we have no depth at that position? Hmm ...

Also, didn't they play Moreau there before they went to Stroman?

Injuries? No.

Repeatedly playing your corners off the ball and allowing teams to attack you underneath when your linebackers couldn't cover? Yes.

Not understanding what talent you had and how to maximize it even in the face of injuries? Yes.

Not being able to adjust to what your opponents were doing? Yes.

Yeah that ain’t it, it’s about talent. Great coordinators can thank most of their $ to great players. Rex Ryan said he owed his pay check and head coaching jobs to Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed.

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4 hours ago, MikeT14 said:

Then who cares who the coordinator is, right? Keep the guys we have forever. 

Well changing defensive coordinators every 2 years and it isn't working either. If it were me, if give them 4 years to get their defense/talent in place and eveything going right. 2 years isn't enough time, 4 seems about right.

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