patriotsheatyan Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Who is the best NFCW HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The one still in the playoffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Pete Carroll because he has a bigger body of work. He won a Superbowl and if it wasnt for him deciding not to run it with Lynch he would have another Superbowl. This season was his greatest accomplishment because he took a team that lost alot and made them a playoff team and was leading at Dallas with a shot to win and advance. I think McVay did announce his presence last season and the Rams have claimed that division. Its going to some interesting battles with the Seahawks and Niners for many years to come. I want to see what the Cards do because I still believe in Rosen long term. Right now its Carroll but McVay has arrived and the conversation could change in a few years depending on the amount of success he has with the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 This is a pretty unfair question. McVay hasn't accomplished anything near what Pete Carroll has accomplished. Even if you're looking at Carroll's resume as a college coach and his time with USC, he has accomplished a lot. In the NFL - just with the Seahawks he has coached them in two Super Bowls winning one and coming very close to winning another. By those type of standards, McVay hasn't really done anything in his career yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, showtime said: This is a pretty unfair question. McVay hasn't accomplished anything near what Pete Carroll has accomplished. Even if you're looking at Carroll's resume as a college coach and his time with USC, he has accomplished a lot. In the NFL - just with the Seahawks he has coached them in two Super Bowls winning one and coming very close to winning another. By those type of standards, McVay hasn't really done anything in his career yet. It is unfair . . . to Pete Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Pete Carroll easily but ask this again in 10 years and it might be a different answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Classic said: Pete Carroll easily but ask this again in 10 years and it might be a different answer. I'm not sure how the coach with inferior results the past two years is "easily" better. Sounds to me like you're stuck in the past rather than evaluating the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, jrry32 said: I'm not sure how the coach with inferior results the past two years is "easily" better. Sounds to me like you're stuck in the past rather than evaluating the present. no, it sounds like the question is unclear and you're both just evaluating it the way you want to, lol. based on an entire body of work, carroll is the better coach and it's not debatable. but at this stage in their careers and going forward, you could make a case for mcvay. really depends on whether we're being asked to evaluate their careers as a whole or select one we'd prefer to go into next season with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, -Hope- said: no, it sounds like the question is unclear and you're both just evaluating it the way you want to, lol. based on an entire body of work, carroll is the better coach and it's not debatable. but at this stage in their careers and going forward, you could make a case for mcvay. really depends on whether we're being asked to evaluate their careers as a whole or select one we'd prefer to go into next season with. "Who is the best HC in the NFCW?" The question is in the present tense. It asks who the best coach currently is. It didn't ask, "Which of the NFCW HCs have the best track record?" If you think Pete Carroll is a better coach today, okay, fine. But it's not asking who has had the better career to this point. If somebody asked you who the best DL in the NFL is, would you pick J.J. Watt? The entirety of his body of work is better than Aaron Donald's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 How is a coach who has won nothing consider the best? The Rams haven't won a single playoff game under McVay, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, showtime said: How is a coach who has won nothing consider the best? The Rams haven't won a single playoff game under McVay, yet. How is a coach who has never beaten McVay out for a division title the best? Is Brian Billick a better coach than Andy Reid? Is Mike McCarthy better than Sean McVay? It's kind of hard to argue that Pete Carroll is the best when he coaches in the same division as McVay, has a 1-3 record against him, and has lost the division to him both years. You can't really argue that McVay has an unfair advantage when he took over a team that hadn't been to the playoffs or had a winning record in well over a decade and immediately took the division away from a Pete Carroll-led team that many thought could be a dynasty just a couple years prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 As much as I’ve seen McVay abandon the run at times, I think he would have run Marshawn on the 1 yard line in the SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, jrry32 said: How is a coach who has never beaten McVay out for a division title the best? Is Brian Billick a better coach than Andy Reid? Is Mike McCarthy better than Sean McVay? It's kind of hard to argue that Pete Carroll is the best when he coaches in the same division as McVay, has a 1-3 record against him, and has lost the division to him both years. You can't really argue that McVay has an unfair advantage when he took over a team that hadn't been to the playoffs or had a winning record in well over a decade and immediately took the division away from a Pete Carroll-led team that many thought could be a dynasty just a couple years prior. There are teams all the time who are really good and never win a Super Bowl. The 49ers team was very very good during the same time the Seahawks were and never won. The Chargers went 14-2 one year with MVP LT and didn't win. Aaron Rodgers has led some great Packers team that didn't win. The 2007 Patriots were 19-0 and didn't win. A lot of teams produce great records during the regular season, but never win a championship. Seattle had a great team and they won. The Rams have a great team right now, but it remains to be seen whether or not they can win a championship. McVay entered the division when the Seahawks were on the downswing and they have won the division two years in a row, but what comes of that? We'll see here over the next couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, showtime said: There are teams all the time who are really good and never win a Super Bowl. The 49ers team was very very good during the same time the Seahawks were and never won. The Chargers went 14-2 one year with MVP LT and didn't win. Aaron Rodgers has led some great Packers team that didn't win. The 2007 Patriots were 19-0 and didn't win. A lot of teams produce great records during the regular season, but never win a championship. Seattle had a great team and they won. The Rams have a great team right now, but it remains to be seen whether or not they can win a championship. McVay entered the division when the Seahawks were on the downswing and they have won the division two years in a row, but what comes of that? We'll see here over the next couple weeks. Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that Carroll has lost the division to McVay every year they've shared it. How can he be better? Winning one Super Bowl years ago isn't what makes somebody the better coach today. It's not like McVay inherited a stacked team and is just riding somebody else's coattails. He has simply outcoached Carroll the past two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, jrry32 said: Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that Carroll has lost the division to McVay every year they've shared it. How can he be better? Winning one Super Bowl years ago isn't what makes somebody the better coach today. It's not like McVay inherited a stacked team and is just riding somebody else's coattails. He has simply outcoached Carroll the past two years. The Rams are a better team than the Seahawks. It's not about outcoaching. The Seahawks are on the downswing right now. They had their time and they've lost a lot of pieces. McVay just happens to have entered the division during this time. If this was the 2014 Seahawks, I highly doubt this Rams team would be considered better than them by most other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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