Draft Discussion 2019

[Swampbilly]

On 1/14/2019 at 9:49 AM, freak_of_nature said:

Reshad Jones understudy for 2020.

Cant really argue against that then.  Jones isn't a spring chicken anymore.

[PhinsDan]

On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 10:53 AM, ericsvibe said:

A couple of quick responses, and then some new business. Tyree Jackson isn't coming out this year. He has applied for the graduate transfer program and will be one of the many QB's coming out in 2020. So here are some new rumors.

 

1. Apparently Grier really likes Falk. The Dolphins did a ton of pre-draft research on him last year, but had other needs. When he became available, they didn't waste any time brining him to Miami. I also liked Falk last year and wrote about him on one of the threads. Fales and Osweiler won't be resigned, that is why we signed the QB from the Lions. 

2. I would be very disappointed if Miami had the attitude that they will wait until 2020 to look at a QB. Even rebuilding, I think we are going to win 5 or 6 games next year at the least. There isn't any guarantee that we will be better situated in that draft, than this one. Haskins is a legit franchise QB, in fact, several GM's have commented to some of the media that Haskins would be behind Mayfield, but in front of the rest of the draft class last year. So that tells you how favorably he is viewed in the scouting community. Miami should still do the research and see what it would take to trade up to get him.

3. There is a new rumor that the Eagles may go with Foles, over Wentz. They are saying that Foles play style fits the Eagles offense better than Wentz. If that is true, they are saying that the Eagles my ask for 2 firsts, and a 3rd or 4th for him. Wentz would fit Griers mantra of getting a player on their rookie deal. The Dolphins need to look very hard at this possibility. 

4. Kyler Murray has sparked a ton of interest in the NFL, due to the fact that no one thought that he was going to play football. I heard an interesting angle to Murray being drafted by Miami. Would Murray be willing to do what Tebow never did, that is play multiple positions. Tebow could have had a career in the NFL if he was willing to play TE. Even the Patriots tried to get him to switch positions, he refused, and now he is a minor league baseball player. The thinking is this, if Murray agrees to be a swiss army knife if it doesn't work out at QB, he could be drafted by Miami. Grier likes smaller, electric playmakers. Wilson and Grant are perfect examples of this. Many draft pundits roasted Miami for drafting Grant, saying he was a gimmick player. Grant has proved them wrong. Miami was roasted for signing Wilson, a player that many said didn't have a real position on offense. We saw the results this year. Murray is a similar type of player. His size suggests that he won't be successful in the NFL, but he has the determination to prove everyone wrong. Murray coming in at RB, WR, QB, would cause tons of mismatches. Imagine Murray running a half back pass option, where he catches a quick out in the flat, and can either run, or throw deep to Grant or Wilson. The defense will be frozen in place, they have to respect his arm, but if they don't pressure him, he will make the first defender miss and pick up 20 yards before the secondary can get to him. A good offensive coordinator would have a field day with Murray, even if he doesn't play QB full time. He is a legit weapon, that is if he agrees to play this way. If Murray is another Tebow, and refuses to play anything other than QB, I would pass.

1. I think this is Course of Action #1 at this moment.

2. Rebuilding.....It would cost too much to move up for Haskins when we have a whole team (basically) to rebuild. Draft a QB? Yes! but hoping to find a gem in mid-late rounds. If not, 2020 is a promising QB class.

3. Pretty sure that just 2 days Doug Peterson said that Wentz is their guy

4. Hard Pass, I agree with earlier post, he will be hurt and out many games. However, when he is in the field, he could be dangerous.

[Rgossett07]

40 minutes ago, PhinsDan said:

1. I think this is Course of Action #1 at this moment.

2. Rebuilding.....It would cost too much to move up for Haskins when we have a whole team (basically) to rebuild. Draft a QB? Yes! but hoping to find a gem in mid-late rounds. If not, 2020 is a promising QB class.

3. Pretty sure that just 2 days Doug Peterson said that Wentz is their guy

4. Hard Pass, I agree with earlier post, he will be hurt and out many games. However, when he is in the field, he could be dangerous

Everyone take a giant step back here....After 2019, Miami is in GREAT Salary Cap shape. 

Tannehill off the books, Suh dead money off the books.  Even is they didn't cut Tannehiil, They are expected to have $95m in Cap Space 2020.

Tunsil still has 4th year on Rookie deal plus option year. Then can tag him.  James will get $10-12m/season.  He was "solid" .  They will pay him.

If Miami waits to draft QB in 2020, they wont have HUGE money dedicated to QB for the next 6 years!!!  This is the new winning formula to winning in the NFL.  

This means Miami can pay Howard and Tunsil with no issue.  Miami isn't in as bad a shape as most people are thinking.  Their best players are in the right positions for long term success.

GM's have been saying for the past 5 plus years you pay players in this order... QB, OL, DE/OLB, CB.  Then if you have a TOP 5-7 WR talent you can pay them in years where you can (ODBJ).  Problem is you cant pay them all at the same time.  if you think about it, Miami can afford to pay Howard in a year.  a year after that you pay Tunsil.  In 4 years, you pay Minkah.  At that point, you will probably have an out in Howard's contract or an opportunity to restructure.  

While you pay Tunsil, Howard and James over the next 4-5 years, you're hoping you find your QB, DE (Harris is a bust), or catch fire with a WR.  You just always need to have top talent in 3 out of 5 of those positions at all times   The way the league is going, Maybe you find another DB (Greedy Williams).  Everything else is commodity.  Very rarely does a guy coming off a rookie deal, that hits the FA market pan out with another team.  There is a reason why that team let him walk.  Drafting quality players and also have a staff that can develop those players is how you win in NFL.  NOT FREE AGENCY!

[DirtyDez]

Do you think Miami would be willing to give up Xavien Howard in a move to get #1?

[Emerica]

1 hour ago, DirtyDez said:

Do you think Miami would be willing to give up Xavien Howard in a move to get #1?

Makes little sense. Who would Miami be targeting at #1? 

There are no QBs in this draft worthy of first overall and I don’t see them trading Howard+ for Bosa or Williams. 

[DirtyDez]

17 minutes ago, Emerica said:

Makes little sense. Who would Miami be targeting at #1? 

There are no QBs in this draft worthy of first overall and I don’t see them trading Howard+ for Bosa or Williams. 

If they don’t think there’s a QB worth it then it wouldn’t.  If they did... then trading a player instead would save them the bundle of picks it would’ve taken to go that high.  

[Tetsujin]

What are the odds that Gesicki gets flipped b/c he's too poor of a blocker?

[Emerica]

Here's what I'd do about our QB situation going into next year:

I would not draft any QB at 13. If I were to draft a QB in the first round, I'd move down in the mid twenties to do so. Ideally, I would draft one in rounds 2 through 4. Then I'd sign a career backup that has plenty of experience a la McCown, Cassel, Sanchez, etc. Have him compete against the new kid, Falk and Ruddock. Whoever performs the best in TC gets the starting job. Stash one of the young ones on the PS and the other gets released.

Gives us the chance to try out 3 young QBs while having someone to mentor them. Should one of them have "it", then great our rebuild is accelerated. If not, it should place us in great position to get one of Tua, Herbert or Fromm in 2020. 

 

For the remainder of the draft, work on the trenches.

[hrubes20]

22 hours ago, freak_of_nature said:

What are the odds that Gesicki gets flipped b/c he's too poor of a blocker?

If they could get that 2nd back, I would do it in a heartbeat.  He wasn't even impressive as a receiver.  For someone who was so absurdly athletic at the combine, he sure looked stiff when the whistle started.

[hrubes20]

21 hours ago, Emerica said:

Here's what I'd do about our QB situation going into next year:

I would not draft any QB at 13. If I were to draft a QB in the first round, I'd move down in the mid twenties to do so. Ideally, I would draft one in rounds 2 through 4. Then I'd sign a career backup that has plenty of experience a la McCown, Cassel, Sanchez, etc. Have him compete against the new kid, Falk and Ruddock. Whoever performs the best in TC gets the starting job. Stash one of the young ones on the PS and the other gets released.

Gives us the chance to try out 3 young QBs while having someone to mentor them. Should one of them have "it", then great our rebuild is accelerated. If not, it should place us in great position to get one of Tua, Herbert or Fromm in 2020. 

 

For the remainder of the draft, work on the trenches.

Sign me up.  That's exactly what I want as well.  Obviously, if Haskins somehow fell to 13, I take him.  But he's the only QB this draft that I would put a 1st round grade on.

[Swampbilly]

On 1/18/2019 at 4:15 PM, DirtyDez said:

If they don’t think there’s a QB worth it then it wouldn’t.  If they did... then trading a player instead would save them the bundle of picks it would’ve taken to go that high.  

Not sure if our FO would trade Howard and pick 13 for pick 1........but they would be crazy not to IMO.....Haskins will certainly go top 5 as it’s stands right now ( unless he just has horrible workouts and interviews ) and there’s a very good chance he goes #1 overall.

Just because the team has announced we will be targeting a QB in the 2020 draft doesn’t mean we wouldn’t pay a fair price to get one a year early, and from everything he’s demonstrated so far ( small sample size ) Haskins will be the first QB taken in the 2019 draft and given the draft inflation of the QB position he will likely go #1 overall.

[Tetsujin]

The players we met with in the post season bowl process

Jordan Brailford, DE, Oklahoma State (EW)

Blace Brown, CB, Troy (EW)

Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State (SR)

Joe Dineen Jr., ILB, Kansas (EW)

Jalen Jelks, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Oregon (SR)

Daniel Jones, QB, Duke (SR)

Tyree Kinnel, S, Michigan (EW)

Brett Rypien, QB, Boise State (EW)

Sione Takitaki, OLB, Brigham Young (EW)

Armon Watts, DE, Arkansas (EW)

 

 

[Emerica]

Safe to say Daniel Jones shouldn't be mocked to us at 13 anymore after that Sr bowl showing.

[Tetsujin]

My latest simulation:

Round 1 Pick 16 (CAR): Allen, Zach, DE, Boston College (C)
Round 2 Pick 15 (CAR): Jones, Dre'Mont, DT, Ohio State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 16: Lindstrom, Chris, OG, Boston College (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Deiter, Michael, OG/OT/C, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Granderson, Carl, DE, Wyoming (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Eberle, Alec, C, Florida State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 15: Holyfield, Elijah, RB, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Gaines, Greg, DT, Washington (A+)

[ericsvibe]

Beat reporters are saying that the Miami scouts have spent TONS of time grinding on DE's this year. They feel that DE will be the target in the 1st round this year. Harris is a bust, Wake is probably done, and the other DE's are over paid. In fact, Miami has literally no young talent at DE, unlike the rest of the defense where there are at least young players who can contribute. They are also saying that Miami isn't interested in pass rush specialists, they want a complete DE that can stay on the field. Players I would keep an eye on are. Rashan Gary, 6-5 287 lbs. Jachai Polite, 6-2 260 lbs. Clelin Ferrell, 6-5 265 lbs.