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Broncos name Vic Fangio their next Head Coach

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On 1/9/2019 at 11:13 AM, Tyty said:

Vics goin from Mack to Von Miller, poor guy

Also gets Bradley Chubb who had 12 sacks last season.

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On 1/9/2019 at 10:49 AM, N4L said:

If this doesn't work out, you have to think Elway gets fired right?

He should and when he takes lock at 10 he should be fired draft night 

Edited by Counselor

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Fire McDaniels and bring aboard Kubiak. Nah more likely Koobs retires or goes to the Texans to consult I guess.

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interesting twist. I wonder how much say Elway was trying to have with their differences. 

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Such a weird twist of events. 

You'd think that after the Broncos were blocking Kubiak from interviewing for OC jobs elsewhere because they wanted him to be OC in Denver that stuff like his offensive philosophy and who he wanted to hire beneath him would have already have been discussed and agreed upon

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@49erurtaza - sorry for the ask (again), but can the title be changed?  Kubiak is for sure out as OC...to say it was a weird turn of events is an understatement.

 

 

Now, Dennison replacing our current OL coaches (Sean Kugler & Chris Strausser, who while on the surface, look like it was a mediocre result, basically worked with scrubs and got them to be better than the more expensive and veteran unit of 2017 by a fair margin) would have been an unmitigated disaster.  So maybe that was the final straw.    Or Fangio met with Kubiak, and while he said he was OK with Kubiak as OC, went to Elway and said this wasn't going to work - leaving Elway with no choice but to part ways with Kubiak.  Let's be clear - if Kubiak thought Rick Dennison was a good choice as OL coach, keeping in mind that Kubiak was the one who advocated strongest last year as consultant to Elway to go and get Case Keenum, it really reinforces the doubts that Kubiak's failed to adapt to today's NFL.  And so the decision in in itself is justifiable.   But then the hiring should have also never been planned for weeks, and confirmed this past week, without more due diligence.  And that's totally on Elway.

We likely won't ever know if Elway didn't fully realize Kubiak's plan - or if Fangio wasn't on board with the hires and plan once he heard more post-hire.   But, EITHER way, this is a huge clusterf*** with Elway - either he and Kubiak weren't on the same page on the hires that were coming next, or Fangio and Elway/Kubiak weren't.  But in either situation, that's on Elway to figure out ahead of time - not now, when the hiring cycle is complete, announcements are made, and staff let go (and teams having hired 2/3 - 3/4 of new candidates).   We're already an O without a QBOTF, a mediocre OL, we've lost our WR1, and 3 OC's have been here the last 3 years.   To say this is an unattractive destination for an OC is an understatement - so while Elway could salvage the situation by targeting a Todd Monken, the real Q is why would an in-demand OC actually consider coming here?   Man, Elway earned himself a ton of leash with his 2011-15 tenure in roster-building and cap management, and a SB ring will earn even more.  But it's fair to say he's directly on the hot seat with this HC hire and choosing our next QBOTF - these are likely his last choices where his name isn't the one whispered as next to go.   If this round of HC/OC & QB (the latter probably being the most important) choices fail, it's Elway who's likely finally targeted (and rightfully so). 

The only silver lining - because Mike Munchak has family in DEN, he may want to come as OL coach.  That would really turn the OL coaching transition from a disaster to a great upgrade.   But he's a very meh OC, so it's only OL coach, not OC.   So much for Elway's idea of a "mentor" OC in Kubiak bringing in a young mind to learn the job - it's trial by fire, or very recycled (and likely unattractive recent results) OC.    The only other silver lining - at least it's clear how the coaching decision tree is going - Fangio's in charge of the OC hire.  Should have been how it went in the first place, though.   Either way, no matter the result of who we get (I really hope Munchak becomes our OL coach), how this went down really reflects poorly on Elway as a GM process-wise.   And no matter the choices made, other than his draft pre-2018 Day 2 history (when he always went for tools-only, insane-ceiling but low-skill guys), you couldn't say that about Elway before - but it's hard to deny here.   

Elway was an all-time great as a QB at the last minute comeback W.   He'll need all those skills and more to pull this OC hire as GM.  We'll see.  

Edited by Broncofan

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14 hours ago, DoleINGout said:

Nah more likely Koobs retires or goes to the Texans to consult I guess.

I'm down for this.

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51 minutes ago, ET80 said:

I'm down for this.

Prob Ravens need him more but they just promoted an OC.

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1 hour ago, DoleINGout said:

Prob Ravens need him more but they just promoted an OC.

It's a pipe dream, Kubiak and O'Brien wouldn't work well together. Both are too stubborn to adapt their systems into a single offense...

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6 minutes ago, ET80 said:

It's a pipe dream, Kubiak and O'Brien wouldn't work well together. Both are too stubborn to adapt their systems into a single offense...

Kubiak likely will find work as an OC / consultant. 

 

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