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I love Antonio Brown, but trading away an elite pass rusher Khalil Mack who is in his prime, but we didn't wanna pay 20+ million. Then trading for Brown, who is 31 and probably past or near the end of his prime, and also making 20 million would be assbackwards. Only way I'd like it is if the price was cheap or Pittsburgh took on some of his salary. 

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9 hours ago, Blazer026 said:

I love Antonio Brown, but trading away an elite pass rusher Khalil Mack who is in his prime, but we didn't wanna pay 20+ million. Then trading for Brown, who is 31 and probably past or near the end of his prime, and also making 20 million would be assbackwards. Only way I'd like it is if the price was cheap or Pittsburgh took on some of his salary. 

I don’t have the numbers but i believe that if Pittsburgh where to trade him away they’d have to pay 5m leaving only 15m for his new team to pay. I believe his salary from that point on would be  10-12m. Not bad for a top end WR. But i think the diva mindset is something teams are going to have to weigh. That’s the rub. At 31 he’s still elite and i personally think he’ll be elite for another 3-4 years or the length of his contract.  He hasn’t had any crazy injuries so he won’t be slowed by that but his me first mentality might not be what this team needs. 

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17 hours ago, NightTrainLane said:

Stop being dramatic and look at his contract.

What am I missing here?  His cap hit averages $21.5 million over the next 4 years.  Yes I understand the cash payment is just under $20 because of the signing bonuses but as a fan I only care about the cap hit.  If he can not be a top ten QB that can get us some wins on his own then he is not worth it.  You really want Carr to be the same QB he was this year.  I will not not be satisfied if the only thing he does is improve on his check downs.

 

YR                                            Base                SB                Roster         Cap Hit

2019 Contract details by year 28 $19,900,000 $2,500,000 - $100,000 $22,500,000 $7,500,000 $20,000,000($67,675,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 29 $18,900,000 $2,500,000 - $100,000 $21,500,000 $5,000,000 $19,000,000($86,675,000)  
2021 Contract details by year 30 $19,525,000 $2,500,000 - $100,000 $22,125,000 $2,500,000 $19,625,000($106,300,000)  
2022 Contract details by year 31 $19,777,519 - - $100,000 $19,877,519 - $19,877,519($126,177,519)

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3 hours ago, Chali21 said:

I don’t have the numbers but i believe that if Pittsburgh where to trade him away they’d have to pay 5m leaving only 15m for his new team to pay. I believe his salary from that point on would be  10-12m. Not bad for a top end WR. But i think the diva mindset is something teams are going to have to weigh. That’s the rub. At 31 he’s still elite and i personally think he’ll be elite for another 3-4 years or the length of his contract.  He hasn’t had any crazy injuries so he won’t be slowed by that but his me first mentality might not be what this team needs. 

I felt the same way but after looking at it his contract would be a steal for us.

2019 Contract details by year 31 $12,625,000 $3,800,000 $2,500,000 $3,240,000 $22,165,000 $21,120,000 $15,125,000($48,910,000)  
2020 Contract details by year 32 $11,300,000 $3,800,000 - $3,240,000 $18,340,000 $14,080,000 $11,300,000($60,210,000)  

POTENTIAL OUT: 2021, 4 YR, $60,210,000; $7,040,000 DEAD CAP

2021 Contract details by year 33 $12,500,000 $3,800,000 - $3,240,000 $19,540,000 $7,040,000 $12,500,000($72,710,000)

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1 hour ago, drfrey13 said:

What am I missing here?  His cap hit averages $21.5 million over the next 4 years.  Yes I understand the cash payment is just under $20 because of the signing bonuses but as a fan I only care about the cap hit. 

Dead money.

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34 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

Dead money.

Yeah I know we can easily cut him.  My point was for him to try and be a better QB instead of doing the same thing next year.  If he continues and gets better at just what he did last year the difference will not be enough to justify his contract.  He needs to show different aspects of his abilities and find ways to win.  He needs to run when the situation dictates it, go deep when needed, and extend plays instead of panicking.

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11 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Yeah I know we can easily cut him.  My point was for him to try and be a better QB instead of doing the same thing next year.

You don't think he works to improve every year. When supported correctly he is more than worth the deal, as proven in 2016. Decent to good oline play, having weapons to get the ball to and running a system he knows, all make the difference. No QB succeeds or looks "worth the deal" without those things.

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10 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

You don't think he works to improve every year. When supported correctly he is more than worth the deal, as proven in 2016. Decent to good oline play, having weapons to get the ball to and running a system he knows, all make the difference. No QB succeeds or looks "worth the deal" without those things.

No I do not think he does.  There are certain things he wants to improve that work really well when you have a good supporting cast but there are other aspects he completely ignores that could help a struggling team.  I believe he wants to improve on the things he is comfortable doing but has very little interest expanding his game. 

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Everyone needs to stop bringing up 2016.  Plenty of average QBs that have 1 great year.  2016 was more about the ball bouncing our way every single time.  We had a TO differential of +16.  2015 we had +1 and were 7-9.  The other 3 years we have 13 total wins and average -12 TO differential.  We do not win with Carr.  We win when we take care of the ball and force turnovers.  Carr does not have enough game to win when the we do not.  He is Alex Smith that refuses to run.

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34 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

No I do not think he does.  There are certain things he wants to improve that work really well when you have a good supporting cast but there are other aspects he completely ignores that could help a struggling team.  I believe he wants to improve on the things he is comfortable doing but has very little interest expanding his game. 

I don't have any problem calling that a moronic statement.

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27 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Everyone needs to stop bringing up 2016.  Plenty of average QBs that have 1 great year.  2016 was more about the ball bouncing our way every single time.  We had a TO differential of +16.  2015 we had +1 and were 7-9.  The other 3 years we have 13 total wins and average -12 TO differential.  We do not win with Carr.  We win when we take care of the ball and force turnovers.  Carr does not have enough game to win when the we do not.  He is Alex Smith that refuses to run.

Why should we stop bring up how he can perform when we have a decent team around him. Whatever man. Remember to keep that same energy down the road.

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8 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said:

Why should we stop bring up how he can perform when we have a decent team around him. Whatever man. Remember to keep that same energy down the road.

Can Redskins fans bring up RG3s rookie year for evidence how he can perform with the right team around him? Even though it's been years since then, and hes suffered numerous injuries and doesn't look like the same guy like Carr?

I mean why not since we are hanging onto what Carr did 3 years ago

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Just now, SilverNBlackFan said:

Can Redskins fans bring up RG3s rookie year for evidence how he can perform with the right team around him? Even though it's been years since then, and hes suffered numerous injuries and doesn't look like the same guy like Carr?

I mean why not since we are hanging onto what Carr did 3 years ago

There is a huge difference in a rookie QB that is known for playing running style and had that taken away from him due to injury and a QB that has always been a pocket/quick thrower finally having a good team/offensive coaching around him and performing well compared to when he doesn't.

But good try.

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