Greene N White Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I wanted McCarthy but at the same time orur #1 priority needs to be developing Sam so I don’t get why people are so mad at the hiring. We can’t make the same mistake that we made with Sanchez and even geno/hack for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bianconero said: So funny Someone is dubbed an "offensive" guy with crappy offenses The best DL coach in the NFL can’t turn every player into a stud D-Linemen. Let’s give him a chance with Darnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconero Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: The best DL coach in the NFL can’t turn every player into a stud D-Linemen. Let’s give him a chance with Darnold. I don't see what you mean Genuine question: Can you please provide concrete evidence of him producing "genius" offensive concepts, milestones, achievements? If Peyton Manning is all you can provide, that's very interesting to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, Bianconero said: I don't see what you mean Genuine question: Can you please provide concrete evidence of him producing "genius" offensive concepts, milestones, achievements? If Peyton Manning is all you can provide, that's very interesting to me Cutler 2015 15 games(6-9) 64.4% 3,659 yards 21-11 TD-INT(2.2 INT percentage) 92.3 Passer RTG Gase leaves 5 games(1-4) 59.1% 1,059 yards 4-5 TD-INT(3.6 INT percentage) 78.1 Passer RTG 2017 in Miami 14 games(6-8) 62% 2,666 yards 19-14 TD-INT(3.2 INT percentage) 80.8 Passer RTG Tannehill 2016 13 games(8-5) 67.1% 2,995 yards 19-12 TD-INT(3.0 INT percentage) 93.5 Passer RTG 2017- DNP 2018 11 games(5-6) 64.2% 1,979 yards 17-9 TD-INT(3.2 INT percentage) 92.7 Passer RTG By comparison lets look at his work with Manning We know the records lets check the stats Comp 5 68.6 68.3 66.2 59.8(last season in decline) TD-INT 37-11 55-10 39-15 9-17 Passer RTG 105.8 115.1 101.5 67.9 INT % 1.8 1.5 2.5 5.1 Now numbers dont tell us everything but many of you guys are results oriented so those are the numbers FWIW So what does this tell me. He makes QBs better, they perform well under him. His offense seems to dependent on RAC and making the right read to maximize the RAC. This is where I think Enunwa can come along and become what he turned Demaryius Thomas into. Darnold is better QB than Tannehill and Cutler and has better physical tools than Manning. Obviously Peyton is far more cerebral but you get the point. I believe he will have Darnold playing extremely well from the start, remember Darnold sat a few weeks and came back better. If he played as well as he did late, early in the year who knows if we win a couple more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaZeN37 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2718815-nfl1000-ranking-the-best-offensive-schemes.amp.html “Gase believes just as much in analytics as he does in old-school ideas, and in many ways he appears to be the prototype for the new kind of coach who will best succeed in the NFL—listen to your players, game-plan for each opponent differently and don't get too stuck in one concept.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gase was not my first choice but I honestly like this hire from a coaching standpoint. He takes no prisoners, he’s tough, he is passionate and it could be a sneaky good hire. Let’s give this guy a chance. Only thing that worries me truly, is we probably have zero chance of Leveon Bell based on the consensus that Gase was not a players coach. As much as I want Bell, I still want players that don’t cry when the coach gets tough. So if that’s Bell...keep it moving man we don’t need cry babies here. Everyone needs to toughen up and maybe this is the guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, ekill08x said: Gase was not my first choice but I honestly like this hire from a coaching standpoint. He takes no prisoners, he’s tough, he is passionate and it could be a sneaky good hire. Let’s give this guy a chance. Only thing that worries me truly, is we probably have zero chance of Leveon Bell based on the consensus that Gase was not a players coach. As much as I want Bell, I still want players that don’t cry when the coach gets tough. So if that’s Bell...keep it moving man we don’t need cry babies here. Everyone needs to toughen up and maybe this is the guy. We still need talent on offense more so than anything. Cry baby or not we need talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 After sleeping on it I’m ok with the hire... BUT cautious in it. I’m very concerned about his people skills. Macc should stick to what his plan is. Bc Gase I feel thinks he can win with certain talent not actual talent. Talent needs to be brought in on this offense period. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen420 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Wonder who he’s going to ship out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Greene N White said: I wanted McCarthy but at the same time orur #1 priority needs to be developing Sam so I don’t get why people are so mad at the hiring. We can’t make the same mistake that we made with Sanchez and even geno/hack for that matter. For me, it’s because it cane out of left field. So I never really took Gase serious. But he has a lot of the same things I liked in Monken. Seems like Gase’s personality could be an issue. I would have still preferred Monken, but I’m starting to see how this could work. I’m coming around to it. Hearing what QBs have to say about him is interesting. Edited January 10, 2019 by SDotNova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doumeyer Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Dr.O said: I really don’t know how I feel about this, I’m a fan of his from a schematic stand point and think Sam will excel with him but the back and forth of his team quitting and not quitting on him scares me. Me too, am I suppose to love this pick, or hate this pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen420 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html the anti Rhule? emo Brian Schottenheimer? The playcalling thing is a major issue amongst Fin fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich51 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html the anti Rhule? emo Brian Schottenheimer? The playcalling thing is a major issue amongst Fin fans But he had Tannehill, Cutler and Osweiller. Hopefully having Darnold will open up his playbook. In truth I was jealous of the Dolphins when they hire him. Some of the things I read about him over the years down here in South Florida has me skeptical but again I’d take Darnold over any of the QBs he had to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I don't think any of us question he has a good offensive mind. But its clear he needs talent. He's not this genius making average players good. Darnold developing is obviously the priority. But Gase seems to throw his WRs under the bus a lot (see Landry and Parker). So im worried about him actually bringing in legit talent at WR beyond what we have. I feel he will just target guys that fit what he visions but actually are average. And that's what we've had at WR for WAY TOO LONG. We need actual talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen420 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 We could of done worse I guess. He’s an upgrade from Bowles, but there’s posters on this site that probably would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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