jrry32 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, mission27 said: Who? Big papi? Hes rich and charming. Doesn’t count. Nah, my brother. 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: And he can’t get off the weight as an adult and keep it off why....? If he really didn’t want to be overweight, he wouldn’t be. Depending if he’s a much shorter guy, he may have to eat slightly less, yes “harder work” I guess? I don’t know if eating less is “harder work” though. And it’d be a mere 150-200 calories which is like a banana a day. However, from your first post the tone I got from you is people can’t control their weight due to scientific reasons which isn’t true at all. If he is indeed a shorter guy, yes he would have to try 5-10% harder than most people to eat less. Hardly a big deal if you really wanna be in shape. The tone you got from me is that things aren't equal. Some people have to work much harder to keep weight off and to lose weight than others. Pretending that failing to do so is a choice is a bad argument. Some people are fat because of choices they make. Some people are fat because they got the short end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Nah, my brother. The tone you got from me is that things aren't equal. Some people have to work much harder to keep weight off and to lose weight than others. Pretending that failing to do so is a choice is a bad argument. Some people are fat because of choices they make. Some people are fat because they got the short end of the stick. I don’t agree with the last sentence at all. If you are shorter than most, and either have to eat 5% less or work out 5% more than normal people, that is hardly the “short end of the stick”. I doubt your brother has tracked calories even one time in his life, and if he hasn’t, then he definitey doesn’t care if he’s overweight and is content with it, maybe not happy but certainly content which is fine. We’ll have to agree to disagree here though as this is not going anywhere but circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, BayRaider said: I don’t agree with the last sentence at all. If you are shorter than most, and either have to eat 5% less or work out 5% more than normal people, that is hardly the “short end of the stick”. I doubt your brother has tracked calories even one time in his life, and if he hasn’t, then he definitey doesn’t care if he’s overweight and is content with it, maybe not happy but certainly content which is fine. We’ll have to agree to disagree here though as this is not going anywhere but circles. I mean tbf it’s literally the short end of the stick Some would say if you’re short there’s no point in going on living but I think that’s too harsh But I think we need to appreciate tall person privilege for what it is... awesomeness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, mission27 said: I mean tbf it’s literally the short end of the stick Some would say if you’re short there’s no point in going on living but I think that’s too harsh But I think we need to appreciate tall person privilege for what it is... awesomeness I’m 5’7” and get by just fine. But I fee I have the personality, looks, skills, and work ethic to pull it all off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, jrry32 said: I saw it with my brother. We grew up eating the same things, doing the same amounts of exercise, etc. I stayed skinny. He got fat. He always had to work twice as hard to drop weight as I did. Life simply isn't fair. I'm not going to assume somebody is lazy or doesn't try to lose weight because they look fat. You can rant and rave about how even those who are disadvantaged should put in extra work to not get fat, but that's not a realistic outlook. And that's not the same thing as it being a choice. Yeah, genetics are different. I'm overweight, and yes, there are things that can happen to help. I've cut out sodas, which has really helped. I also have a thick neck and a small mouth, which has caused me to develop severe sleep apnea over the past two years, where I've put on a lot of weight. From waking up 10-plus times a night, I can barely make it through a day at work. When I get home, it's a struggle to have enough energy to make a decent dinner and stay awake to the time I've tried to "schedule" my life around to make it through work. I just got the sleep study done, and Im hopeful to have the CPAP machine soon to help with sleep. Exercise is the first thing in my list once I have my old level of energy back. But at this point, I'm just trying to do the best I can in my job, and thankfully, I've worked for my boss for almost 13 years (since I left high school) and hes been extremely understanding through the entire process. This isn't like a choice to play video games, and ignore exercise and get fat, or to play video games and not get out and interact with friends and women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, BayRaider said: I don’t agree with the last sentence at all. If you are shorter than most, and either have to eat 5% less or work out 5% more than normal people, that is hardly the “short end of the stick”. I doubt your brother has tracked calories even one time in his life, and if he hasn’t, then he definitey doesn’t care if he’s overweight and is content with it, maybe not happy but certainly content which is fine. We’ll have to agree to disagree here though as this is not going anywhere but circles. It's not just tied to height. Metabolic rates differ from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrry32 said: It's not just tied to height. Metabolic rates differ from person to person. As does smugness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 8:09 AM, mistakey said: Yeah I agree to some extent. That being said playing video games in college with bros and finding torrents of porn didn’t turn me into an incel. There’s some other factor- maybe it’s an entitled/victim mentality created by an online toxic community of bad faith actors and/or miserable people. Maybe it’s the invention of online gaming so people don’t have to go over to other peoples houses to play video games. Maybe they always existed and we just never noticed them before because they didn’t kill people until they martyred Elliot Rodger. Shrug I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone who grew up playing video games and fapping to internet porn turned into an incel. I am saying the ones who only played video games and fapped to internet porn turned into incels. Most kids balance that video games and internet porn with a healthy dose of real life. They still get out and do things. They still chase girls in an effort to have a real relationship. It's the ones who don't venture out that end up the incels. It's just too easy for kids to turtle up nowadays. And if they do, and they arent out there getting the interaction AFTER SCHOOL, like hanging out with friends, looking for girls to talk to, going to parties, then they aren't emotionally equipped to deal with normal human interaction. Which gets them a negative reaction from women. Which they can't handle because they didn't experience that type of rejection, how to deal with it, and how to learn from it, at 14 years old like the rest of us normal people. That family member I am talking about got the suggestion to hit the gym from a number of women. And he didn't like that suggestion. Didn't listen to it. Won't do it. And this is women his age giving him suggestions as to how to fix his problem. These are the ones he is supposed to be listening to. The ones telling him why he is so lonely. And he is like, "Effort???" It's like he expects the women of the world to change, not him. The women of the world should just suddenly find broke, overweight 27 year old men that still live at home and have absolutely no game attractive. The cognitive dissonance just astounds me. It's like, Dude! Do you not understand how any of this works??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 20 hours ago, BayRaider said: You can have poor genetics in muscle building, sure. However fat is all calories in and calories out. Show me science otherwise, there is none. You choose 100% to be fat. Every fat person that cries they can’t lose weight is full of s*** and when you ask them their diet they will usually have some form of liquid calories like soda and take out. Plus rarely working out. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth Have you ever been grossly overweight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Yeah, lets get @LETSGOBROWNIES in here. He does science and stuff. I believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Non-Issue said: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth Have you ever been grossly overweight? Calories out, calories in is proven sciences over decades of research. I can attest to that as well, it’s all math. If I wanted to gain exactly 1.3 pounds over one week or lose exactly 1.3 pounds over one week, I can easily do that with calorie math. One heathline article doesn’t defeat decades of proven research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Calories out, calories in is proven sciences over decades of research. I can attest to that as well, it’s all math. If I wanted to gain exactly 1.3 pounds over one week or lose exactly 1.3 pounds over one week, I can easily do that with calorie math. One heathline article doesn’t defeat decades of proven research. Dude... the article is based on decades of research. It is telling you that you are grossly oversimplifying the equation. CICO is not science. It is simple math for a complex algebraic equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 https://rebootedbody.com/calories/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 http://www.caloriegate.com/calories-in-calories-out/11-experts-demolish-the-calories-in-calories-out-cico-model-of-obesity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Issue Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Human biology is far more complex than simple CICO. And to suggest that simple CICO would/should/will work for everyone is ludicris. I won't even get into the complex psychology of the issue. That some people simply have better willpower than others. What depression can do to the body and the metabolism. Or anxiety. Then there is the question of physical limitations. Chronic pain? Chronic injuries? Add in the possible side effects of the medications necessary to manage any of the issues I just mentioned. On and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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