btfd16 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: The thing is, refs may or may not be biased. But fans are definitely biased. So they’re not the greatest source. Is this a better source? https://in-thinair.com/2017/10/27/bias-in-nfl-referees/ -40% deviation from 2012-Oct2017. Not including the 0-2 on an 81.25 win% this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, btfd16 said: Is this a better source? https://in-thinair.com/2017/10/27/bias-in-nfl-referees/ -40% deviation from 2012-Oct2017. Not including the 0-2 on an 81.25 win% this year. I don’t know I’ll look at it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Or maybe, the things that the Vinovich team calls are just things that the Rams do more than other teams? Is there a stat about which ref groups call which penalties more often? I would suspect that a ref crew that is more prone to call PI would have teams that play a lot of press/man coverage have a higher number of penalties and losses in that regard? Also how does these stats impact home vs away teams? I mean just looking specifically at just one aspect of a stat doesn't give the whole story when there is likely more that goes into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRams Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Saints fans just copy/pasting Cowboys fans arguments this time last week lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Raves said: Or maybe, the things that the Vinovich team calls are just things that the Rams do more than other teams? Is there a stat about which ref groups call which penalties more often? I would suspect that a ref crew that is more prone to call PI would have teams that play a lot of press/man coverage have a higher number of penalties and losses in that regard? Also how does these stats impact home vs away teams? I mean just looking specifically at just one aspect of a stat doesn't give the whole story when there is likely more that goes into it. So it's just a coincidence that Vinovitch has never assessed the Rams' opponent more penalty yardage than the Rams in his entire career as a head referee? It's just a coincidence that the Rams are 0-8 with him as head ref since 2012 and 55-48-1 with any other ref? It's just a coincidence there have been a number of questionable decisions made by him while reffing our games? Okay, well, we'll see what happens on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, RedRams said: Saints fans just copy/pasting Cowboys fans arguments this time last week lol Except there’s a big *** difference between Dallas and New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, RedRams said: Saints fans just copy/pasting Cowboys fans arguments this time last week lol Five and six days before the game, Rams fans already giving excuses on how if they lose it will be the refs fault. It has been 17-18 years since the height of the Rams-Saints rivalry and the Rams moved halfway across the country since then, but the dialogue is exactly the same. Whoever has been in charge of passing out talking points for Rams fans for the last two decades is really, really consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The Saints have the Katrina refs in the bag now though, that's the main difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfd16 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Destructo Spin said: Five and six days before the game, Rams fans already giving excuses on how if they lose it will be the refs fault. It has been 17-18 years since the height of the Rams-Saints rivalry and the Rams moved halfway across the country since then, but the dialogue is exactly the same. Whoever has been in charge of passing out talking points for Rams fans for the last two decades is really, really consistent No one has said if we lose it will explicitly be there fault. The only argument that has been said is Vinovich has a clear bias. And that is not really arguable when you look at the stats. From that same graph, Tripplette has a bias toward the Saints. Would you want him in the championship game? All we have said is would it be so hard to get someone without a clear bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, Destructo Spin said: Five and six days before the game, Rams fans already giving excuses on how if they lose it will be the refs fault. It has been 17-18 years since the height of the Rams-Saints rivalry and the Rams moved halfway across the country since then, but the dialogue is exactly the same. Whoever has been in charge of passing out talking points for Rams fans for the last two decades is really, really consistent What's funny about this is the number of Saints fans talking about you guys beat the Eagles even though the refs were trying to help the Eagles win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justwinbaby81 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Destructo Spin said: The Saints have the Katrina refs in the bag now though, that's the main difference Could you elaborate on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, jrry32 said: So it's just a coincidence that Vinovitch has never assessed the Rams' opponent more penalty yardage than the Rams in his entire career as a head referee? It's just a coincidence that the Rams are 0-8 with him as head ref since 2012 and 55-48-1 with any other ref? It's just a coincidence there have been a number of questionable decisions made by him while reffing our games? Okay, well, we'll see what happens on Sunday. So all time the Rams are 55-56-1 with all refs since 2012. Sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Even if this ref does have a bias, do Rams fans not realize how soft this is? Making lame excuses to fall back on before the game even starts. Softer than butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfd16 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chiefer said: So all time the Rams are 55-56-1 with all refs since 2012. Sounds about right It just screams so much Jeff Fisher it hurts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, btfd16 said: It just screams so much Jeff Fisher it hurts... Thats even including McVay coached teams. Rough to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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