x0x Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 For a team or a player. I remember asking prior to 2011 if Montana's total 7 Conference Championship game appearances would be broken. At the time of course Brady had 5 and Roethlisberger had 4 as the most likely contenders. For Brady to wipe out Montana's total record in a consecutive streak is nothing short of ludicrous. As well as the Patriots team obliterating a previously held record in the many decades of the league's history. The previous record for a team was the 73-77 Oakland Raiders making 5. After that a number of teams made 4 consecutive runs including the 70s Cowboys and 00s Eagles. Considering the gaps and the enormously thin margin of error to compile such a streak, is this one of the unbreakable records in NFL history? And I don't use "forever" often in sport but the changing landscape of the NFL in just the last 20 years breeds discussion of yesteryear's records being untouchable. Now to add to the discussion, what in your mind is harder, for the QB to be part of such a streak or the team? The QB could conceivably move to a better team while a team could continue success with another QB so there's argument for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Would take a Mount Rushmore of coaches kind of coach to do it, in a league geared up to prevent that kind of thing. I'm sure there will be another BB in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKS97 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Playing in the worst division in NFL history and never playing WC Weekend helps a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The closest team in the AFC is the Raiders with 5 consecutive games. The closest in the NFC is a tie between the Cowboys and Eagles with 4. It's highly unlikely. The crazy thing about this stat is that it complely ignores the 5 in 7 years they had from 2001-2007 which is another very impressive run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Hunter2_1 said: Would take a Mount Rushmore of coaches kind of coach to do it, in a league geared up to prevent that kind of thing. I'm sure there will be another BB in the future. ... and an all time great QB. Arguably the best coach ever with arguably the best QB ever. I am sure we will see another BB and another Brady eventually, but will they be together? Doubtful.. and even if they are, a lot still needs to go right for 8 straight CC appearances. Dominating the regular season and getting the bye is a near must here, and 8 straight byes? Has that even been done 8x? Winning 8 straight divisional games is the easy part in all this, but again, has a team even won their 1st playoff game 8x in a row before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Well its not hard to do when you are in a division where the three teams are not even close to being a threat so the Pats easily get the division title then if they can just win a few games outside of the division they can find themselves as the 1 or 2 seed in the playoffs. All they have to do from there is win 1 home playoff game to get to the AFCCG. There path has been the easiest because every other division the other teams have at least been a threat at one point and time. Its insane how bad the AFC East has been for so long. The last time the Pats didnt win the AFC East was when Brady got hurt Week 1 and was out for the season. Even then the division was so bad the backup QB led them to 11 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Golic and Wingo did a great job doing statistical comparisons on Brady and his 13 AFCCGs in 17 seasons of playing. Not counting the rookie season as a backup or the injury in week 1 in 2008. Brady is more likely to get to an AFCCG (76.5%) than Brees is to complete a pass this year(74.4%) Brady is more likely to get to the AFCCG than NFL QBs completing a 5 yard pass (something like 73.5%) Brady is more likely to get to an AFCCG than LeBron hitting a free throw (73.8%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x0x Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think it won't ever come close to being touched in the same way as the Browns 10 consecutive title games. Now some would argue that Browns record is not authentic because 4 were in the AAFC but even then you have 6 consecutive NFL Title games and that hasn't been touched either. The Bills making 4 consecutive Super Bowls, well Pats have an active shot if they make it this year and 2 more after but we'll see. All that said given the 70 years now since the AAFC merger and the league having some consistency with teams and this being the biggest run by a wide margin I don't see it being passed. And that's if it stays at 8 of course as the Pats could extend it to 9, 10, who the hell knows if maybe they find the successor to Brady and Belichick wants to pull a Marv Levy after saying he wasn't going to do that. Or maybe Pete Carroll is raising the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, stl4life07 said: Well its not hard to do when you are in a division where the three teams are not even close to being a threat so the Pats easily get the division title then if they can just win a few games outside of the division they can find themselves as the 1 or 2 seed in the playoffs. All they have to do from there is win 1 home playoff game to get to the AFCCG. There path has been the easiest because every other division the other teams have at least been a threat at one point and time. Its insane how bad the AFC East has been for so long. The last time the Pats didnt win the AFC East was when Brady got hurt Week 1 and was out for the season. Even then the division was so bad the backup QB led them to 11 wins. The only valid reason for the prevalence of the AFC East Causality Myth is the Dunning-Kruger Effect. The 2010 Patriots were 13-1 against the rest of the league and 1-2 against the Jets. Those Jets were in back to back AFCCGs. The defending Champ 2002 Patriots went 9-7 and missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. The Bills were 8-8 and the Jets and Dolphins were 9-7 Brady is 3% better against his division compared to the rest of his games. Rodgers is 19% better in the NFC North. Manning was 20.6% better in the AFC South Rivers is 0-8 vs Brady. You think Brady wins because he does not face San Diego/LA twice a year? The 2017 Jags went 5-0 against QBs that were a combined 5-35 (with 3 wins against each other) You think it was the PATRIOTS who got to the AFCCG because of their division? Brady is 23-0 against the Falcons, Cowboys, Bucs, Bears, and Vikings. Do you think one of them would be his Kryptonite? Brady's records against the other divisions: NFC East - 13-3 NFC South - 12-4 NFC North - 17-3 NFC West - 10-5 AFC South - 26-7 AFC North - 25-6 AFC West - 22-12 If this point was refined to: 'I wish Brady had to play at Denver, at Miami and at Seattle every year because he is too good, then maybe you have something' Brady is 11-3 against the Colts who the NFL got the hell away from the AFC East in realignment in 2002. The Pats 11-5, Dolphins 11-5 and Jets 10-6 beat up on 6-10 Peyton then the league gave him the South with the expansion Texans. Manning was 46-15 against the AFC South and 28-28 against the AFC East FYI, Manning killed the AFC North to 24-2, ouch! Baltimore did beat Brady in the playoffs twice. What if they were in his division? No, he has destroyed them too: 6-1 in the regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yes, eventually the record might broken, but it's going to be a very long time imo. Matching a brilliant coach like Belichick with the best QB of his era is a hard thing to do in itself. Much less keeping them together for ~20 years. Think about this in hindsight. What happens if Brady had not been paid like a 6th round QB and instead paid like we saw him become? Chad Pennington was the highest paid QB in that draft at pick #15(?). So if the Patriost had picked Brady in the 1st and paid as such, they would not have been able to go free agency shopping like they did in '01 when they aquired the likes of David Patten, Brtyan Cox(SOB's), Compton, Vrabel, Phifer, etc. The stars aligned perfectly for the Patriots at the time and it would take a hell of alot of the same luck for a team to repeat what Craft/Belichick/Brady and company have accomplished over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Bledsoe signed a 10 year 103 million dollar QB deal with the Patriots on March 6th 2001. This was 3 million higher than Favre's record 10 year 100 million dollar deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SkippyX said: Bledsoe signed a 10 year 103 million dollar QB deal with the Patriots on March 6th 2001. This was 3 million higher than Favre's record 10 year 100 million dollar deal. Yeah then traded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: Yeah then traded him. How did they have a bunch of QB money to spare to sign a bunch of guys in 2001 with the highest QB salary if they did not trade Bledsoe until 2002? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, SkippyX said: How did they have a bunch of QB money to spare to sign a bunch of guys in 2001 with the highest QB salary if they did not trade Bledsoe until 2002? Taking 100M off the books is a pretty big deal wouldn't you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yes, the following year How did they sign guys in 2001 with the 100 still on the books by taking advantage of a 2002 trade? The best money QB year of the Brady era was 2002 at about 3.9 million. They missed the playoffs. Now I am sure that the 1st round pick for Bledsoe helped. But I am also sure the stolen 1st rounders in 2008 and 2014 hurt worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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