NightTrainLane Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I wouldn’t call him active in run support. To his credit, most corners aren’t active in run support. I do think he was purposefully kept away from slot work because the slot requires a particular athlete Conley is not. Further, the Raiders currently don’t travel corners so I expect Conley will remain on the boundary for most of his career - which is fine. I actually think Smith is a better player than Amerson. Amerson seems to just be a day late and a dollar short far too often without offering Smith’s upside in run support and physical coverage underneath. I would call him active in run support and don't think he was kept away from the slot. Look, we're different! I think Smith's play in run support is overrated. I don't see him proactively driving thru runners legs in the back field and he rarely seals the edge correctly like Amerson does most of the time. I think some let the PFF score get to their head on that aspect. Secondly, I think Amerson is not only the better overall player but he has potential to improve even still because he is only 25, has limited injury history and he uses his frame like "football player". Smith may be built like Cam Chancellor but he rarely squares guys up for a hit or form tackles runners. You instead tend to see Smith let the runner collide with him and he just wraps his arms around them or tries to shoulder check them. Amerson beats him in this aspect as well IMO. Lastly, I think the style of coverage that Amerson is most successful in lends itself to our defense more than Smith's. This has been discussed ALOT so I won't rehash that discussion but we know Smith's limitations in this area. All these things combined with the facts that Smith is 30, has a higher cap # and is again in trouble with the law will, IMO, lead to him being cut loose at seasons end and Amerson still manning the LCB spot for us with Conley in the RCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Conley looked amazing for a rookie CB in his first game even though they were playing the Jets. One thing I saw though is in the next week or two either the Redskins or Broncos are going to beat him deep on a double move or pump fake. His reactions are so fast he is coming to help before the ball is thrown. I am not a big Xs and Os guy but I bet the next time Nelson moves up to the line and leaves Conley on the outside by himself Cousins will audible to beat him deep. Quick pump fake to a crossing TE coming towards Conley's side and then just throw it down the sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiderrocker18 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Conley looked amazing for a rookie CB in his first game even though they were playing the Jets. One thing I saw though is in the next week or two either the Redskins or Broncos are going to beat him deep on a double move or pump fake. His reactions are so fast he is coming to help before the ball is thrown. I am not a big Xs and Os guy but I bet the next time Nelson moves up to the line and leaves Conley on the outside by himself Cousins will audible to beat him deep. Quick pump fake to a crossing TE coming towards Conley's side and then just throw it down the sideline. You also tend to play less aggressive when you don't have safety help, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, raiderrocker18 said: You also tend to play less aggressive when you don't have safety help, though Maybe he will be good enough already to not make those mistakes and if so that will be amazing. I just think he will make some rookie mistakes and using his aggressiveness against him will be the way it happens. Seeing him play this weekend has made me forget about us not drafting Foster in the first. If he can turn into a shut down corner this defense will get really good really fast. Miss the days of having an Allen/James and Woodson combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Rich7sena said: I wouldn’t call him active in run support. To his credit, most corners aren’t active in run support. I do think he was purposefully kept away from slot work because the slot requires a particular athlete Conley is not. Further, the Raiders currently don’t travel corners so I expect Conley will remain on the boundary for most of his career - which is fine. I actually think Smith is a better player than Amerson. Amerson seems to just be a day late and a dollar short far too often without offering Smith’s upside in run support and physical coverage underneath. Bologna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Amerson needs to step up his game. Conley flashed big with that PD, also gave up one catch which was perfect coverage and an immediate tackle. Kid has the physical skillset to have an All-Pro ceiling, lets hope his head is on right and he can get coached up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raiderrocker18 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Where does conley figure to get snaps with everyone healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, raiderrocker18 said: Where does conley figure to get snaps with everyone healthy? I bet he and Smith rotate on the Left side and Conley plays in the nickel and dime sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I know Obi's out, but I saw on mockdraftable that physically and in terms of his testing numbers, he's 83% similar to Calvin Johnson . I can't wait to have him back and playing man coverage on tight ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 As a skins fan amerson was trash in Wsh he's just good st getting ints but I'll take a corner who covers extreamly well and barley gets ints over a corner who gets beat up a lot but gets u 5 ints a year . amerson literally let Doctson who isn't even the #3 wideout and barley plays any snaps just moss him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dashing202 said: As a skins fan amerson was trash in Wsh he's just good st getting ints but I'll take a corner who covers extreamly well and barley gets ints over a corner who gets beat up a lot but gets u 5 ints a year . amerson literally let Doctson who isn't even the #3 wideout and barley plays any snaps just moss him. Doctson wasn't playing because he was injured IIRC and he just made a good play on the ball. It was one play. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyghost Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 7 hours ago, NightTrainLane said: Doctson wasn't playing because he was injured IIRC and he just made a good play on the ball. It was one play. Relax. It was the perfect indicative play of the team last night. Just thought the game would fall into their arms without earning it. Carr's passes were the same, just float it out there and we'll win because we're awesome. No crispness, no physicality, no grit or will. On the other side, Washington played the perfect game to counter that. They physically worked for it, and beat the living hell out of an asleep team. The defense holding them to 27 is actually a miracle considering they were on the field the entire game. That said, the pass defense as far as yards and completion rate was once again awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 8 hours ago, NightTrainLane said: Doctson wasn't playing because he was injured IIRC and he just made a good play on the ball. It was one play. Relax. It isn't I just injuries he isn't laying because he never practiced or did and preseason games he didn't earn ir . amerson trash dude you guys need new corners asap . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, holyghost said: It was the perfect indicative play of the team last night. Just thought the game would fall into their arms without earning it. Carr's passes were the same, just float it out there and we'll win because we're awesome. No crispness, no physicality, no grit or will. On the other side, Washington played the perfect game to counter that. They physically worked for it, and beat the living hell out of an asleep team. The defense holding them to 27 is actually a miracle considering they were on the field the entire game. That said, the pass defense as far as yards and completion rate was once again awful. Absolutely, there where no adjustments to Thompson. The defense made Cousins look like an All Pro with like 5 incompletions. Every drive it seemed like the defense would stop them for 2 plays and then give up the 3rd and long which honestly is a trend for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Dashing202 said: It isn't I just injuries he isn't laying because he never practiced or did and preseason games he didn't earn ir . amerson trash dude you guys need new corners asap . Just...wha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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