Rich7sena Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I actually think the back end has begun to become the weakness of this team. Our corners aren't making plays and Nelson is always late on deep balls. My point is more that the defensive front has been the bigger disappointment considering the investment the team has made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderX Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I'm kinda thinking the staff should start throwing some of these young guys out there. Vets like Amerson, Smith, Nelson, etc. are not getting it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 hours ago, RaiderX said: I'm kinda thinking the staff should start throwing some of these young guys out there. Vets like Amerson, Smith, Nelson, etc. are not getting it done. Smith has already been pulled. There isn’t anyone reliable to put in Nelson’s place right now. The options there are a 7th round rookie in Shalom Luani or Kieth McGill. It’d be tough to pull Amerson too without Conley healthy. Playing well in preseason against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringers is one thing. Guys like Borders and Luani still have a lot to prove on the practice field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I'd be willing to risk giving Luani some reps, not Borders though. Thing is: Nelson was voted a captain in preseason. Gonna be tough to straight up bench him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Silver&Black88 said: I'd be willing to risk giving Luani some reps, not Borders though. Thing is: Nelson was voted a captain in preseason. Gonna be tough to straight up bench him. We don't have to bench him IMO, but when Obi is back we should start to reduce Nelson's snaps. We have Bowman now in the middle, to call the D and to present veteran leadership, so Nelson's veteran aspect won't be that improtant IMO. I would like to see Obi on TE's and as a box safety with Karl playing deep. We could always play 3 S looks like we did with McGill lately. Bowman's presence and the young DB's return could be a big down the strech. The Irvin-Bowman-James trio looks solid to me and the Cowser-Lee-Morrow depth looks like NFL caliber also. The Conley-Carrie-Obi\Nelson-Karl-Amerson\McDonald secondary could be a nice improvement to close the year. The DL so far looks solid IMO and Eddie and Hester should only get better with playing time. This D still won't be a top 10 unit, but hopefully we could be a middle of the pack kinda D, which could be enough to have a strong finish, IF the O plays like they did against the Chiefs...Hopefully Downing (and Tice) will build on this KC game, use more power runs and play actions and move Coop around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodisrespect Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Pff has the Raiders as the 9th ranked defense in the league. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-defenses-after-week-6 Edited October 24, 2017 by Nodisrespect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 43 minutes ago, Nodisrespect said: Pff has the Raiders as the 9th ranked defense in the league. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-defenses-after-week-6 FWIW... The Raiders place the #4 and #5 defenses back to back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Really jealous of Philly's DL last night, watching how fresh and hard those guys went every single play was awesome to see. Hope we draft a pass rusher early this coming draft, 1-3. Can never have enough of those guys. Philly is legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, CaliforniaKid7 said: Really jealous of Philly's DL last night, watching how fresh and hard those guys went every single play was awesome to see. Hope we draft a pass rusher early this coming draft, 1-3. Can never have enough of those guys. Philly is legit. Yes big time I mean look at what’s behind Mack It isn’t much to put it nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, CaliforniaKid7 said: Really jealous of Philly's DL last night, watching how fresh and hard those guys went every single play was awesome to see. Hope we draft a pass rusher early this coming draft, 1-3. Can never have enough of those guys. Philly is legit. I was thinking that too... they have 8 studs who can make play all over their dline..I can only count 5 on this team Mack- all world edwards- solid base end.. having an impact eddie vanderdoes- has been a day one starter and made plays Ellis- playing his heart out on his contract year autry- good for pressures here and there, solid against the run beyond those 5 we have next to nothing.. I wouldn't mind drafting a few defensive lineman Latham- suspended, can't really count on him Hester- getting a shot, but I really haven't noticed him making an impact. Can't expect so much for 7th round pick Calhoun/Ward- busts Cowser- I consider him more of a linebacker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I just also thinking that our linebackers aren't so bad with Bowman james, Bowman, Irvin solid unit.. James can be a starter and make plays.. he just needs to stay healthy and get a mean streak.. reserves morrow, lee/woodsen, cowser are all NFL players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: I was thinking that too... they have 8 studs who can make play all over their dline..I can only count 5 on this team Mack- all world edwards- solid base end.. having an impact eddie vanderdoes- has been a day one starter and made plays Ellis- playing his heart out on his contract year autry- good for pressures here and there, solid against the run beyond those 5 we have next to nothing.. I wouldn't mind drafting a few defensive lineman Latham- suspended, can't really count on him Hester- getting a shot, but I really haven't noticed him making an impact. Can't expect so much for 7th round pick Calhoun/Ward- busts Cowser- I consider him more of a linebacker Defintely agree. I’d like to draft a young pass rusher DE (not olb) and sign/draft another DT to go with Vanderdoes and Jelly moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Our defense still gets a lot of crap, but they've made some improvements. Incremental growth is harder to see and recognize, but compare our defense to just 2 years ago, and it's much better as a unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I want to see us use Irvin as more of an off the line LB. He, simply put, isn't a pass rusher. We tried to get him to fit that role and it's just not him. Seattle had it right when they used him as an all around LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, SilverNBlackFan said: I want to see us use Irvin as more of an off the line LB. He, simply put, isn't a pass rusher. We tried to get him to fit that role and it's just not him. Seattle had it right when they used him as an all around LB. We do use him that way. Especially when we are in the nickel or dime. He is a SLB. He will rush, keep the edge and be a Jack(roving attacker/DE hybrid) at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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